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Forums › XJBikes Talk › Other Motorcycles › XJ900 Seca
XJ900 Seca
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 7:55 pm    Post subject: Re: XJ900 Seca Reply with quote

Here's the link: cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotor...MEWAX%3AIT

Here's the Craigs List link too: some of the pic's are different. sacramento.craigslist....54151.html

Pichler makes sense. They made BMW fairings, I think. The lowers only clear the floor in front about 6 inches which explains the scraping on the bottom of the one that is off. The other one may have the same problem. If it helps, the fairing has a weird mounting system; the main mount is around the steering stem and covers up the VIN and date of manufacture sticker. The lowers attach to the uppers by two bolts and then there is a lower mount that attaches the lower on each side and the two pieces bolt together at the bottom under the exhaust system. If I wind up with this bike, I am going to need to find a place to get a windscreen made for it.. I know of a place in North Florida that I had windscreen made for my Maxim 750 years ago when my oldest son dumped it. It had a conventional Yamaha frame mounted fairing I had installed when I bought it new. Unless I got the wrong site, Pichler makes spa's now...... I am not out of the woods yet, I just got an email from him and he said he would let me know. I think he is waiting on EBay to bid it up.

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1999 Virago XV1100LC (Daily Rider)
1983 XJ750RK
1983 XV920K Virago (Sold)
1984 XR200R (Sold)
1984 XL350R (Dual Sport)
1987 TLR200 (Sold)


Bikes I have owned: 1986 XV1100; 1983 XJ750 Maxim; 1980 XT250F; 1977 XS750 Triple; 1970 CT1 175 Enduro; 1969 AT1 125 Enduro; 1966 YDS3 250 twin 2 stroke
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 8:04 pm    Post subject: Re: XJ900 Seca Reply with quote

Dave, took a look at your gallery, that's a great looking stable. I have a set of the touring package you have on the 650 here, including the Yamaha matching frame mounted fairing, but no mounting brackets. Wonder it that could be made to fit the 900. Your 900 is a great example of what a restoration can look like when someone takes the time to do it right. Congrats on your trophies........

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1999 Virago XV1100LC (Daily Rider)
1983 XJ750RK
1983 XV920K Virago (Sold)
1984 XR200R (Sold)
1984 XL350R (Dual Sport)
1987 TLR200 (Sold)


Bikes I have owned: 1986 XV1100; 1983 XJ750 Maxim; 1980 XT250F; 1977 XS750 Triple; 1970 CT1 175 Enduro; 1969 AT1 125 Enduro; 1966 YDS3 250 twin 2 stroke
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 8:39 pm    Post subject: Re: XJ900 Seca Reply with quote

Gustafsson Plastics is the company I was used before. bikescreen.com/
They are located in ST. Augustine, Florida. They are not the cheapest around but can custom make windscreens for any bike, so they claim. Perhaps someone here might have need of their services at some point. He made a windscreen for me for a 30 year old fairing that I bought for my 920 Virago. It fit perfectly.

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1983 XJ750RK
1983 XV920K Virago (Sold)
1984 XR200R (Sold)
1984 XL350R (Dual Sport)
1987 TLR200 (Sold)


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 8:44 pm    Post subject: Re: XJ900 Seca Reply with quote

gustafson is who I'd recommend, too.

Thanks for the comments on my 900. Yes, that's what one should aim to look like if they are restoring it, but I'd suggest that if someone is doin a real restoration, it should end up looking a whole lot nicer. Remember, this is NOT restored.

I'll have to check out Pichler.

Dave F

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1982 xs400rj - project
1978 GL1000 Goldwing
1985 MaximX - 2 being built from scratch
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 9:17 pm    Post subject: Re: XJ900 Seca Reply with quote

Looked at some of the pichlers......I think they are hideous. Personal opinion, of course.

Anyway........looked at the craigslist pics. Here's some things that I see that maybe you can point out as you continue to work on price.

1. top of engine is pretty dirty
2. engine guard is missing
3. engine side cover is severely oxidized
4. starter looks quite worn, was it replaced?
5. incorrect horn
6. odometer/trip reset button should be black, not white (maybe flash reflection)
7.since the fuel c**k is on RES, just do a double-check to make sure it's there because it's been ridden to there, and not that the gas level had dropped from 'sitting and running through the carbs into the crankcase'.
8. Decals are crazing

I wish I could see the other side.

Now, that all being said, (and without being able to see the other side)......I think you'll be able to be riding without having to put much into it. Maybe a new pair of tires, the carbs, and the battery. Maybe flush and check the mastercylinders, too.

Here's a story to make you feel much better about it:

Long story short--

When I got mine, it was about to be parted out, and I rescued it. The fellow had trouble with it --wouldn't pass inspection. (wouldn't pass emissions test........yup, that's what the paper said) Over the course of two and a half years, he was charged over $3,000.00 in 'service, inspections, and repairs' and in STILL wouldn't pass inspection. He was finally fed up with it and was going to part it out.

I bought the whole bike so it wouldn't be parted. I DID tell him that I felt that they were jerking him around, that he had grounds for legal action, and that he could probably have the bike running for about 150.00. He said, "Nope, been there, done that, had enough, I don't want to see it anymore"

End result.......I swapped one of my other batteries into it, cleaned the carbs, had another fellow go through the carbs anyway, he verified they were clean, and I was off and riding. TOTAL COST FOR ME--$124.00+ a little in change.

I wouldn't be surprised if you have similar success.

BTW, how do I know he got charged that much? He gave me a folder with all the receipts in it. I won't go through the whole thing with you, but it's ungodly what they were charging him for, borderline fraud in my own opinion. But I digress.

PLEASE let me know if you get the bike so that I can update the XJ900RK Seca Database.

Thanks, good luck!

Dave Fox

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1985 XJ700 Maxim - 2
1982 XZ550 Vision - Project
1981 XV750
1967 Honda 305 Dream - long-term restoration
1999 Suzuki Intruder VL1500
1975 Suzuki GT750 "Water Buffalo"
1982 xs400rj - project
1978 GL1000 Goldwing
1985 MaximX - 2 being built from scratch
1985 Vmax
1982 XJ750 Maxim
1986 XVZ1300 - Venture Royale
1982 XJ650 Seca
1982 XJ650 Maxim
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 10:19 pm    Post subject: Re: XJ900 Seca Reply with quote

Thanks for taking the time to go over the pictures and give advice on the bike. I noticed the horns were aftermarket and the engine guards were going. The lens on the fuel gauge/clock is broken, just a crack.
I inspected the fuel tank and it is very clean without any sign of rust, which is a good thing, but it appeared to be empty, which isn't necessarily a good thing. The owner did mention he had it running about a month ago with fuel from a fuel bottle he had on site and the engine wouldn't run without choke and the float bowls were overflowing, stuck floats and clogged pilot passages most likely. I checked the oil level site glass and it is over full and black which is a good sign of fuel in the oil. I should have pulled the oil fill cap and took a smell. But, from past experience, I can almost assure you that the crankcase has got gasoline in it.
Can't say about the starter, but the engine will clean up, it is just a matter of taking everything apart and cleaning and repainting. May have to drop the engine to get to some of the stuff for cleaning. I did a pretty close inspection, took about an hour or so, and didn't find any sign of any oil leaks. The exhaust system was in surprisingly good condition. Hopefully, I will get the bike.... I would like the opportunity to restore it. It is a classic and its a shame someone let it get in that condtion merely from neglect. I have used the Shed Queen Restoration article a lot as well as Rick's carb cleaning article. I have cleaned and rebuilt more Hitachi and Mikuni carbs that I care to remember, so that doesn't scare me at all. Thanks again.

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1999 Virago XV1100LC (Daily Rider)
1983 XJ750RK
1983 XV920K Virago (Sold)
1984 XR200R (Sold)
1984 XL350R (Dual Sport)
1987 TLR200 (Sold)


Bikes I have owned: 1986 XV1100; 1983 XJ750 Maxim; 1980 XT250F; 1977 XS750 Triple; 1970 CT1 175 Enduro; 1969 AT1 125 Enduro; 1966 YDS3 250 twin 2 stroke
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 7:17 am    Post subject: Re: XJ900 Seca Reply with quote

I think we've found a match on the fairing; it does appear to be a "period" Pichler; check this out: www.google.com/imgres?...,s:68,i:18

There's a similar view of the bike with the fairing lowers on it in the eBay listing; it matches up, turn signal style/shape, everything.

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'81 XJ550RH Seca- Fully Recommissioned original classic; 27K miles- stock except bars, seat, shocks and SS brake lines.
'82 XJ650RJ Seca- 13K miles and rough. Slowly undergoing resurrection
1974 Norton Commando 850- ORIGINAL OWNER; 45K original miles and going strong

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 7:39 am    Post subject: Re: XJ900 Seca Reply with quote

I don't like the idea of

"the tank is empty" coupled with "I checked the oil level site glass and it is over full and black which is a good sign of fuel in the oil." along with "he had it running about a month ago".........

I woudl hope that he didn't have it running for long.......thinned oil can lead to overheating issues. I fully expect it'll be fine, and all you'll have to do is the obvious carb cleaning and oil/filter change. But, just keep the above in the back of your mind as you are going through things just to keep yourself honest and check EVERYTHING. You've done enough resto's, so you know what you're doing.

As far as the 900's, I'll answer questions and take pics for you, may have a few parts if needed, and I'll exchange that info for Virago info, how's that?!??! LOL

Dave Fox

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1983 XJ900RK - 5
1985 XJ700 Maxim - 2
1982 XZ550 Vision - Project
1981 XV750
1967 Honda 305 Dream - long-term restoration
1999 Suzuki Intruder VL1500
1975 Suzuki GT750 "Water Buffalo"
1982 xs400rj - project
1978 GL1000 Goldwing
1985 MaximX - 2 being built from scratch
1985 Vmax
1982 XJ750 Maxim
1986 XVZ1300 - Venture Royale
1982 XJ650 Seca
1982 XJ650 Maxim
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 9:52 am    Post subject: Re: XJ900 Seca Reply with quote

The fairing looks the same right down to where the bolts are to put the pieces together and the mirror is the same. Don't care for the smoked windshield, tho.
According to him, he just started it and saw the bowls overflowed so he shut it off. I have been through this multiple times with the Virago's without any ill effects. I bought a 92 750 Virago in 2010 with that problem. It smoked like a banshee, but I changed the oil and filter twice to get all the residue out and rode it for 8000 miles without any further problem. After about 20 miles the white smoke stopped. However, the vacuum petcock on both the XV and the XJ has always been a problem. I have come up with a simple fix. I re-route the fuel line so it is accessible and then put an inline fuel shut off valve between the petcock and the carbs. If you get in the habit of shutting it off when you stop the bike, you probably won't have any more issue with the contents of the fuel tank going into the crankcase. The bike will remind you to turn it on.......
The info exchange works for me....
Just noticed; another XJ900RK just came up on EBay. Looks like it is in Utah and in beautiful condition, but priced really high. Check it out..... cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotor...MEWAX%3AIT

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1999 Virago XV1100LC (Daily Rider)
1983 XJ750RK
1983 XV920K Virago (Sold)
1984 XR200R (Sold)
1984 XL350R (Dual Sport)
1987 TLR200 (Sold)


Bikes I have owned: 1986 XV1100; 1983 XJ750 Maxim; 1980 XT250F; 1977 XS750 Triple; 1970 CT1 175 Enduro; 1969 AT1 125 Enduro; 1966 YDS3 250 twin 2 stroke
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 11:13 am    Post subject: Re: XJ900 Seca Reply with quote

Even better fix: If your floats are working correctly it doesn't matter what the petcock does; you could slip up and leave it on "PRI" for a week with no dire consequences.

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'83 XJ550RK Seca- "Toxic Asset"; 17K miles- resto-fied, upgraded and personalized (stock but better) now my DR
'81 XJ550RH Seca- Fully Recommissioned original classic; 27K miles- stock except bars, seat, shocks and SS brake lines.
'82 XJ650RJ Seca- 13K miles and rough. Slowly undergoing resurrection
1974 Norton Commando 850- ORIGINAL OWNER; 45K original miles and going strong

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 11:50 am    Post subject: Re: XJ900 Seca Reply with quote

You could do that, but I wouldn't advise it. Floats do stick from time to time, with the petcock on PRIME, you will get a crankcase full of gas and not even know it until its too late. The vacuum petcocks have a tendency to leak through the vacuum lines as they get older. For the most part, we are dealing with bikes that are older than most stealership technicians....

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1983 XV920K Virago (Sold)
1984 XR200R (Sold)
1984 XL350R (Dual Sport)
1987 TLR200 (Sold)


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 11:54 am    Post subject: Re: XJ900 Seca Reply with quote

Yup to all.

When I bike is just sitting:
If the floats are working correctly, it doesn't matter if the petcock leaks.
If the petcock works correctly, it doesn't matter if the floats leak.
If both have issues, then you're going to have fuel in the crankcase, etc...

Yes, the shut-off valve is a way to solve a problem, but it doesn't correct the problem. You can also get a kit from Len that will turn the petcock into an ON/OFF/RES set-up, too. Smile

Dave Fox

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1983 XJ900RK - 5
1985 XJ700 Maxim - 2
1982 XZ550 Vision - Project
1981 XV750
1967 Honda 305 Dream - long-term restoration
1999 Suzuki Intruder VL1500
1975 Suzuki GT750 "Water Buffalo"
1982 xs400rj - project
1978 GL1000 Goldwing
1985 MaximX - 2 being built from scratch
1985 Vmax
1982 XJ750 Maxim
1986 XVZ1300 - Venture Royale
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 11:59 am    Post subject: Re: XJ900 Seca Reply with quote

That's a new one on me, but it sounds interesting, do you have a link to it?

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1999 Virago XV1100LC (Daily Rider)
1983 XJ750RK
1983 XV920K Virago (Sold)
1984 XR200R (Sold)
1984 XL350R (Dual Sport)
1987 TLR200 (Sold)


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 9:46 pm    Post subject: Re: XJ900 Seca Reply with quote

top of the screen, click on the xj4ever logo, or email him at: info @ xj4ever.com

Dave F

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1983 XJ900RK - 5
1985 XJ700 Maxim - 2
1982 XZ550 Vision - Project
1981 XV750
1967 Honda 305 Dream - long-term restoration
1999 Suzuki Intruder VL1500
1975 Suzuki GT750 "Water Buffalo"
1982 xs400rj - project
1978 GL1000 Goldwing
1985 MaximX - 2 being built from scratch
1985 Vmax
1982 XJ750 Maxim
1986 XVZ1300 - Venture Royale
1982 XJ650 Seca
1982 XJ650 Maxim
1980 XJ650 Maxim-I - newest addition to stable
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2012 7:01 am    Post subject: Re: XJ900 Seca Reply with quote

Thanks, I checked it out and it may work for me on a future restoration.
Just an update. The guy still hasn't sold his 900 here. He has it back on Craig's List again at the same price. I just sent him an email letting him know my offer was still open at $650. He tried to sell it on EBay and they bid it up to $860 which was a surprise, but it didn't meet his reserve, so he didn't sell it.
I noticed the one in Utah has been relisted on EBay at a lower price. It's supposed to be a running bike and has the stock fairing on it. But at $1200 I think he still has it too high and will probably get the same results he had last time.... no bids.......

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1983 XJ750RK
1983 XV920K Virago (Sold)
1984 XR200R (Sold)
1984 XL350R (Dual Sport)
1987 TLR200 (Sold)


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