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Forums › XJBikes Talk › XJ Chat › starter motor cleaning
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rdbhere2
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 8:54 am    Post subject: starter motor cleaning Reply with quote

My bike only has about 15k miles on it. How long does it take for gunk to buildup inside the starter motor?

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 9:13 am    Post subject: Re: starter motor cleaning Reply with quote

Don't really know but it is not hard to pull it and clean it. Do you suspect any problems?

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Yamaha Induction Control System, or in lay terms, a hole in the head.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 9:16 am    Post subject: Re: starter motor cleaning Reply with quote

not since i cleaned the starter button contacts. I have seen some of the pics of other riders alternators and starters and i wanted to do preventive maintenance.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 9:26 am    Post subject: Re: starter motor cleaning Reply with quote

I did mine just to be safe. You can measure your brushes and know for sure where you stand.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 7:35 pm    Post subject: Re: starter motor cleaning Reply with quote

Takes no time at all. Just disconnect the battery lead. Undo two 10mm bolts. Pull the starter towards you to remove it and unscrew the two long screws that hold it together.

I'd do it each winter as preventive maintenance.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 8:07 am    Post subject: Re: starter motor cleaning Reply with quote

Are these bolts a PIA to get out like some can be? I'd be interested in having a look at mine for preventive measures but not if it involves drilling out bolts when they break. Well until I have to anyway.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 11:55 am    Post subject: Re: starter motor cleaning Reply with quote

Some folks have had problems with them. Mine has been off 3 times so far and no issues.
Problem is you won;t know till you try. You can lessen the chance by spraying some PB blaster on the bolts for a few days.

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66 Honda Superhawk (partial rebuild - sold in 2008)
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 12:02 pm    Post subject: Re: starter motor cleaning Reply with quote

coachholland wrote:
Takes no time at all. Just disconnect the battery lead. Undo two 10mm bolts. Pull the starter towards you to remove it and unscrew the two long screws that hold it together.

I'd do it each winter as preventive maintenance.

There are three bolts that hold the starter on to the bike... can you clean the starter out without pulling it off the bike?

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 1:16 pm    Post subject: Re: starter motor cleaning Reply with quote

do we have to be careful when pulling the starter so the drive or clutch assy doesn't fall down? I would love to clean mine out but don't want to mess up anything in the process.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 2:05 pm    Post subject: Re: starter motor cleaning Reply with quote

85MaximXX wrote:
do we have to be careful when pulling the starter so the drive or clutch assy doesn't fall down? I would love to clean mine out but don't want to mess up anything in the process.

Nope clutch gear is on the alternator shaft - starter pulls with no worries about alignment etc.

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66 Honda Superhawk (partial rebuild - sold in 2008)
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Yamaha Induction Control System, or in lay terms, a hole in the head.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 2:09 pm    Post subject: Re: starter motor cleaning Reply with quote

charlie3 wrote:
coachholland wrote:
Takes no time at all. Just disconnect the battery lead. Undo two 10mm bolts. Pull the starter towards you to remove it and unscrew the two long screws that hold it together.

I'd do it each winter as preventive maintenance.

There are three bolts that hold the starter on to the bike... can you clean the starter out without pulling it off the bike?

Should only be 2 bolts and you have to remove the starer cable on the side.

You have to take it apart to clean it so no way to do it on the bike.

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82 XS400J 16k miles (project bike right now)
Past rides:
66 Honda Superhawk (partial rebuild - sold in 2008)
71 Honda CB350 (sold after rebuilding engine)
81 XS850 Midnight special (never should have sold it)

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Yamaha Induction Control System, or in lay terms, a hole in the head.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 2:10 pm    Post subject: Re: starter motor cleaning Reply with quote

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82 XS400J 16k miles (project bike right now)
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66 Honda Superhawk (partial rebuild - sold in 2008)
71 Honda CB350 (sold after rebuilding engine)
81 XS850 Midnight special (never should have sold it)

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 2:17 pm    Post subject: Re: starter motor cleaning Reply with quote

There's just a Shaft on the inside of the Starter. The Shaft engages a Reduction Gear. The O-Ring at the business end Seals it.

The Electric end has it's Power Post to disconnect. Be careful not to harm the Power Post Mount. Keep the parts in order if you remove it. The Mount shields the Post from ground.

The two long fasteners hold 3-Sections together.
The Planet Gears - Motor Body - Electric end.
There are Alignment Tabs and Receiving Slots on the sections for fit.

Don't rely on just the Tabs to help you reassemble the starter. To avoid a lot of confusion; mark the way they line-up with a Crayon. The Crayon comes-off easily.

There are already some Threads on Cleaning the Starter, Replacing Brushes and Removing Carbon Dust that are complete.

Don't lose any of the wafer-thin Thrust Washers. They can be hard to spot.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 8:02 pm    Post subject: Re: starter motor cleaning Reply with quote

What should my OHM reading be across the brush area and the armature itself? I am getting infinity. Does this mean I have a short.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 12:45 pm    Post subject: Re: starter motor cleaning Reply with quote

A short would be 0 ohms, infinitive ohms is an open circuit. From our venerable old Haynes:
Ahem..."To check the armatue, set the meter on the ohms x 1 scale, and measure the resistance between each pair of commutator segments. The correct figure is 0.014 ohms at 68F."
If you are reading infinity, you've got burned out coils in your armature. $400 for a new one. Used starters run about $30 on Flea-Bay.

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