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Forums › XJBikes Talk › XJ Chat › starter motor cleaning
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rdbhere2 4th gear


Joined: May 28, 2008 Posts: 197 Location: Md
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Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 8:54 am Post subject: starter motor cleaning |
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My bike only has about 15k miles on it. How long does it take for gunk to buildup inside the starter motor?
_________________ 82 XJ650J, 15k miles, pods, custom 4 into 2 exhaust, 15" apes, 15" shocks, 30° rake and 6" stretch. |
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bill XJ Wizard

Joined: Jun 20, 2008 Posts: 2813 Location: Raleigh, NC
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Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 9:13 am Post subject: Re: starter motor cleaning |
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Don't really know but it is not hard to pull it and clean it. Do you suspect any problems?
_________________ 82 XJ650J Maxim 43k miles and climbing - all stock
82 XS400J 16k miles (project bike right now)
Past rides:
66 Honda Superhawk (partial rebuild - sold in 2008)
71 Honda CB350 (sold after rebuilding engine)
81 XS850 Midnight special (never should have sold it)
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| Yamaha Induction Control System, or in lay terms, a hole in the head. |
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rdbhere2 4th gear


Joined: May 28, 2008 Posts: 197 Location: Md
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Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 9:16 am Post subject: Re: starter motor cleaning |
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not since i cleaned the starter button contacts. I have seen some of the pics of other riders alternators and starters and i wanted to do preventive maintenance.
_________________ 82 XJ650J, 15k miles, pods, custom 4 into 2 exhaust, 15" apes, 15" shocks, 30° rake and 6" stretch. |
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bill XJ Wizard

Joined: Jun 20, 2008 Posts: 2813 Location: Raleigh, NC
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Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 9:26 am Post subject: Re: starter motor cleaning |
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I did mine just to be safe. You can measure your brushes and know for sure where you stand.
_________________ 82 XJ650J Maxim 43k miles and climbing - all stock
82 XS400J 16k miles (project bike right now)
Past rides:
66 Honda Superhawk (partial rebuild - sold in 2008)
71 Honda CB350 (sold after rebuilding engine)
81 XS850 Midnight special (never should have sold it)
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coachholland 4th gear


Joined: Sep 13, 2008 Posts: 199 Location: Georgetown, KY
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Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 7:35 pm Post subject: Re: starter motor cleaning |
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Takes no time at all. Just disconnect the battery lead. Undo two 10mm bolts. Pull the starter towards you to remove it and unscrew the two long screws that hold it together.
I'd do it each winter as preventive maintenance.
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maxim82 4th gear


Joined: Aug 27, 2008 Posts: 136 Location: Farmers Branch, Texas
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 8:07 am Post subject: Re: starter motor cleaning |
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Are these bolts a PIA to get out like some can be? I'd be interested in having a look at mine for preventive measures but not if it involves drilling out bolts when they break. Well until I have to anyway.
_________________ '82 XJ650J Maxim - Work in Progress
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bill XJ Wizard

Joined: Jun 20, 2008 Posts: 2813 Location: Raleigh, NC
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 11:55 am Post subject: Re: starter motor cleaning |
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Some folks have had problems with them. Mine has been off 3 times so far and no issues.
Problem is you won;t know till you try. You can lessen the chance by spraying some PB blaster on the bolts for a few days.
_________________ 82 XJ650J Maxim 43k miles and climbing - all stock
82 XS400J 16k miles (project bike right now)
Past rides:
66 Honda Superhawk (partial rebuild - sold in 2008)
71 Honda CB350 (sold after rebuilding engine)
81 XS850 Midnight special (never should have sold it)
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charlie3 2nd gear


Joined: Jul 03, 2008 Posts: 65 Location: Winter Haven, FL
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Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 12:02 pm Post subject: Re: starter motor cleaning |
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Takes no time at all. Just disconnect the battery lead. Undo two 10mm bolts. Pull the starter towards you to remove it and unscrew the two long screws that hold it together.
I'd do it each winter as preventive maintenance. |
There are three bolts that hold the starter on to the bike... can you clean the starter out without pulling it off the bike?
_________________ below is a pic of my 1985 XJ 700N
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85MaximXX Red Liner

Joined: May 20, 2008 Posts: 755 Location: S.W. michigan
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Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 1:16 pm Post subject: Re: starter motor cleaning |
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do we have to be careful when pulling the starter so the drive or clutch assy doesn't fall down? I would love to clean mine out but don't want to mess up anything in the process.
_________________ 85' MaximX 700 26k Miles and climbing daily driver. Painted sunburst orange pearl. |
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bill XJ Wizard

Joined: Jun 20, 2008 Posts: 2813 Location: Raleigh, NC
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Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 2:05 pm Post subject: Re: starter motor cleaning |
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| do we have to be careful when pulling the starter so the drive or clutch assy doesn't fall down? I would love to clean mine out but don't want to mess up anything in the process. |
Nope clutch gear is on the alternator shaft - starter pulls with no worries about alignment etc.
_________________ 82 XJ650J Maxim 43k miles and climbing - all stock
82 XS400J 16k miles (project bike right now)
Past rides:
66 Honda Superhawk (partial rebuild - sold in 2008)
71 Honda CB350 (sold after rebuilding engine)
81 XS850 Midnight special (never should have sold it)
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| Yamaha Induction Control System, or in lay terms, a hole in the head. |
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bill XJ Wizard

Joined: Jun 20, 2008 Posts: 2813 Location: Raleigh, NC
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Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 2:09 pm Post subject: Re: starter motor cleaning |
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| coachholland wrote: |
Takes no time at all. Just disconnect the battery lead. Undo two 10mm bolts. Pull the starter towards you to remove it and unscrew the two long screws that hold it together.
I'd do it each winter as preventive maintenance. |
There are three bolts that hold the starter on to the bike... can you clean the starter out without pulling it off the bike? |
Should only be 2 bolts and you have to remove the starer cable on the side.
You have to take it apart to clean it so no way to do it on the bike.
_________________ 82 XJ650J Maxim 43k miles and climbing - all stock
82 XS400J 16k miles (project bike right now)
Past rides:
66 Honda Superhawk (partial rebuild - sold in 2008)
71 Honda CB350 (sold after rebuilding engine)
81 XS850 Midnight special (never should have sold it)
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| Yamaha Induction Control System, or in lay terms, a hole in the head. |
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bill XJ Wizard

Joined: Jun 20, 2008 Posts: 2813 Location: Raleigh, NC
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Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 2:10 pm Post subject: Re: starter motor cleaning |
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_________________ 82 XJ650J Maxim 43k miles and climbing - all stock
82 XS400J 16k miles (project bike right now)
Past rides:
66 Honda Superhawk (partial rebuild - sold in 2008)
71 Honda CB350 (sold after rebuilding engine)
81 XS850 Midnight special (never should have sold it)
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| Yamaha Induction Control System, or in lay terms, a hole in the head. |
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RickCoMatic Moderator

Joined: Jun 23, 2006 Posts: 9662 Location: Massachusetts, Billerica
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Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 2:17 pm Post subject: Re: starter motor cleaning |
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There's just a Shaft on the inside of the Starter. The Shaft engages a Reduction Gear. The O-Ring at the business end Seals it.
The Electric end has it's Power Post to disconnect. Be careful not to harm the Power Post Mount. Keep the parts in order if you remove it. The Mount shields the Post from ground.
The two long fasteners hold 3-Sections together.
The Planet Gears - Motor Body - Electric end.
There are Alignment Tabs and Receiving Slots on the sections for fit.
Don't rely on just the Tabs to help you reassemble the starter. To avoid a lot of confusion; mark the way they line-up with a Crayon. The Crayon comes-off easily.
There are already some Threads on Cleaning the Starter, Replacing Brushes and Removing Carbon Dust that are complete.
Don't lose any of the wafer-thin Thrust Washers. They can be hard to spot.
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capy 6th gear


Joined: Sep 01, 2005 Posts: 284 Location: Florida
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Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 8:02 pm Post subject: Re: starter motor cleaning |
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What should my OHM reading be across the brush area and the armature itself? I am getting infinity. Does this mean I have a short.
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Robert Moderator

Joined: Feb 06, 2006 Posts: 6663 Location: Ventura CA
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Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 12:45 pm Post subject: Re: starter motor cleaning |
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A short would be 0 ohms, infinitive ohms is an open circuit. From our venerable old Haynes:
Ahem..."To check the armatue, set the meter on the ohms x 1 scale, and measure the resistance between each pair of commutator segments. The correct figure is 0.014 ohms at 68F."
If you are reading infinity, you've got burned out coils in your armature. $400 for a new one. Used starters run about $30 on Flea-Bay.
_________________ Robert
'81 XJ650H Maxim (under construction)
'81 XJ750RH Seca (ditto)
'82 XJ750RJ Seca (Almost done)
'90 FZR600AC (under destruction)
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'86 XT125
'84 GPz750A1 Ninja
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