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Forums › XJBikes Talk › XJ Modifications › 83 SECA 650 Cafe Project
83 SECA 650 Cafe Project
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boomer
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 10:31 am    Post subject: Re: 83 SECA 650 Cafe Project Reply with quote

That is one of the nicest bikes I've ever seen. Great job.

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I'm restoring a "1983 Yamaha 650 Maxim",
also a "1972 Kawasaki G5 100" (my kids dirt bike)
I owned a "1985 Yamaha Virago 750"
1969 Triumph Tiger Hardtail Bobber
1972 Kawasaki H2 750 Triple
1982 Yamaha 650 Maxim
1985 Yamaha Herritage Special
1985 Honda 550 Nighthawk
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 6:45 pm    Post subject: Re: 83 SECA 650 Cafe Project Reply with quote

justinmantell wrote:
that thing is mean
boomer wrote:
That is one of the nicest bikes I've ever seen. Great job.

Thanks! Really appreciate it guys.
The poor bike is sitting neglected in the garage, waiting for some warm weather... and possibly an overhaul when I get some $$$.

mrkil wrote:
hey ease
what front brake lever assembly are you using?
i like the remote reservoir

Levers are off of an 06 Yamaha R6.

Bolts right up using the stock lines and banjo bolt if you want, or you can do what I did and throw on the r6 bolt (allows for 2 lines right from the master) and get some braided stainless lines. Wink


EDIT: Sorry for the Delays in responding... Trying to get through my engineering terms is keeping me off the forums.

I have a COOP term coming up for the summer so I'll be around more... Anyone want to hire a Civil engineering work term student from / in Canada?? Cool

I'll subscribe to my own thread so I can at least get back to anyone who posts in it.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 10:29 am    Post subject: Re: 83 SECA 650 Cafe Project Reply with quote

very nice thanks for the info

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 3:23 am    Post subject: Re: 83 SECA 650 Cafe Project Reply with quote

Who'd you get your clubmans from? I'm starting in on the caffing of my 550 seca and I cant decide whether to go with a set of clubman bars or just dive right in and put on a set of clipons. I keep hearing there's clearance issues with both, but which one is worse?

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 7:02 am    Post subject: Re: 83 SECA 650 Cafe Project Reply with quote

The clubmans I just got off of e-bay. There were a lot of people selling them on there at the time, probably still is now, so you shouldn't have any trouble finding some.

I didn't have any clearance issues with the clubmans, you just have to roll them forward enough to where they don't hit the tank at full lock - in both directions. I bought mine for a CB750 (any large bike should do) to ensure I had a nice wide bar.

Clip-on's like mine are fully adjustable, so any cleanance issues are because they aren't set-up correctly for your bike. You just have to do the same as the clubmans and make sure that they aren't hitting the tank at full lock left and right. The issue I had with my clip-on's, however, was that I couldn't fit the stock brake master cylinder - so I replaced it with the R6 one I have now.

People who can't avoid the bars hitting the tank and still have the desired riding position have welded in a new tab to restrict the movement in place of the old one, but I don't think you'll have this issue. I didn't on my 650.

All this info is actually back on page 8 in detail (with Pics).

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 11:29 am    Post subject: Re: 83 SECA 650 Cafe Project Reply with quote

FWIW, I have clearance issues with my drag bars on my 750 seca. I'm making my own riser section from the stocker handlebars to solve the issue without putting to much rise into the bars (thats why I wanted drags, nice and flat.) With the stock control pods/mirrors/levers/etc, I needed about another inch of clearance on the bars/tank. With my aftermarket levers/controls/etc, I only need about 1/2"

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 12:22 pm    Post subject: Re: 83 SECA 650 Cafe Project Reply with quote

Ease:
You have a very nice bike. I've been checking it for a while and I'm interested in doing the clubman handlebar swap on my 82 XJ750RJ seca.

DO you have a photo with you sitting on the bike so that I can see the riding stance with this handlebar?

I might also consider the dragbar if the clubman brings the stance to far forward. I'm only 5'9"

I am also considering the clip ons that you currently use on your bike. They seems to have less of an agressive drop and perhaps more confortable position for your body/arms. Is this right? I would like to do the clip ons but they're a bit more expensive.

The other reason why I'm considering the clip ons is because with the clubman handle bar or even with a stock bar it prevents you from lowering the front suspension, and I also want to lower the front about an inche or so. Is this the reason why you went with the clip ons? so that it will also allow you to lower the front more?

thanks in advance for your reply.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 4:37 pm    Post subject: Re: 83 SECA 650 Cafe Project Reply with quote

Firts off, thanks guys for the comments, and to switch263 for bringing up a good point about the 750.

The 750 secas are a lot different from the 650's and 550's. You will probably have clearance issues with changing the stock bars over to clubmans.

xulf13 wrote:
DO you have a photo with you sitting on the bike so that I can see the riding stance with this handlebar?

OK, I'll post one, lol. This is a cheesy pic I took when I first put clubmans on the bike... Can't really tell the stance b/c my feet aren't on the pegs, but you kinda get the idea. Notice how far forward I have the bars rolled (for clearance).



... Before you ask, No, I don't ride in shorts. Photo op only. Cool

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I might also consider the dragbar if the clubman brings the stance to far forward. I'm only 5'9"

I'm 5' 10", so no big difference there. But the 750 is a bigger bike. Clubmans are so cheap it's almost worth it to get em and try it out for fit...
Buying clip on's is a fair investment, especially if you have to get a new MC.

xulf13 wrote:
I am also considering the clip ons that you currently use on your bike. They seems to have less of an agressive drop and perhaps more confortable position for your body/arms. Is this right? I would like to do the clip ons but they're a bit more expensive.

The clip-on's used the way I have them installed have a much less agressive drop than the clubmans, as you mentioned. And you're right, it definately puts less strain on your wrists and arms. Also, if you wanted to have a little more lift you could try the high-rise version of what I have...

**However, these tarozzi clip-on's do not allow for your stock master cylinder!!**

You will probably have to replace similarly to what I did... a more modern remote system or something a little more compact.
Although a cheaper method would be to buy a straight drag bar and cut it in half to use as longer bars (see last pic in this post)... would allow you to keep the stock MC, but your clip-on's would be a bit long.

xulf13 wrote:
The other reason why I'm considering the clip ons is because with the clubman handle bar or even with a stock bar it prevents you from lowering the front suspension, and I also want to lower the front about an inche or so. Is this the reason why you went with the clip ons? so that it will also allow you to lower the front more?

This is a good point, and yes, before I installed the clip-on's I could only lower my bike (with the forks) about 1/2". Since installing the clip on's above the triple tree I've lowered the bike almost another inch, Total is almost 1.5" drop... And yes the bike handles great.

You're welcome, I like answering these questions - I just hope I'm helping!

And just to add a bit more to the post here's a pic of clubmans vs. clip-on's on the 650 for comparison:





This is with the stock MC laid in place... it Will Not bolt on the stock Tarozzi's. Note how far the right handle is hanging off compared to the left...

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 5:53 pm    Post subject: Re: 83 SECA 650 Cafe Project Reply with quote

Is the stock master cylinder too long causing a clearence issue or is it the brake lines that get in the way? I can't really tell from the pic (especially on my iPhone)

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 10:19 pm    Post subject: Re: 83 SECA 650 Cafe Project Reply with quote

Thanks a lot for your answers EASE. I have a few thoughts on this.
My 82 XJ750RJ SECA, does not have the master cylinder on the handlebar, but behind my headlight. So does that mean it will be easier for me to do the swap wether I use the clubmans or the clip ons? I'm diggin the clip ons. And I will go that route if I don't have to mess with the MC.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 11:41 pm    Post subject: Re: 83 SECA 650 Cafe Project Reply with quote

xulf13 wrote:
Thanks a lot for your answers EASE. I have a few thoughts on this.
My 82 XJ750RJ SECA, does not have the master cylinder on the handlebar, but behind my headlight. So does that mean it will be easier for me to do the swap wether I use the clubmans or the clip ons? I'm diggin the clip ons. And I will go that route if I don't have to mess with the MC.

Yup, that should make it easier!

Worst case scenario you would probably need an extended line to the remote reservoir.

jhicks13 wrote:
Is the stock master cylinder too long causing a clearence issue or is it the brake lines that get in the way? I can't really tell from the pic (especially on my iPhone)

Yes sir, that's the issue. it hits off the clamp for the clip-on because it's too long / too tight to the bar.
Brake lines are not an issue.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 2:52 pm    Post subject: Re: 83 SECA 650 Cafe Project Reply with quote

Nice bike. LOVE the bars - In the UK they are called "Drops" (As in dropped bars - at least where I come from).

I personally think the riding position you adopt with them is great. It's uncompromising.

The last bike I had with drops on was an 1978 RD250 DX, in 1982. You've reminded me of my youth!

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 5:16 am    Post subject: Re: 83 SECA 650 Cafe Project Reply with quote

Thanks Markie!

I have heard of clubmans being called drop bars before as well.

Glad my bike could help you remember your youth!

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 9:33 pm    Post subject: new guy looking to buy a super clean xj650rj help! Reply with quote

new guy looking to buy a super clean xj650rj help!

sorry if I wrong spot but I am new guy and I am looking to buy a cherry clean xj650rj - am am 43 now and had one as a kid-

what is the deal on the Canada bikes - I heard rumor that they were made in canada years later than the ones in USA?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 5:54 am    Post subject: Re: 83 SECA 650 Cafe Project Reply with quote

Also, my fave bike on the site! What type of exhaust is that? Sorry if you already answered that...
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