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Cannot get Spark

Discussion in 'XJ Technical Chat' started by xjforlife145, Apr 15, 2017.

  1. XJ550H

    XJ550H Well-Known Member Premium Member

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    do you get 12 volts at the tci should be red/white wire to feed voltage to it?

    hard to tell from photos but it looks like the row of caps have holes in the tops and D9 looks funny at the solder joint.
    the 2 links below deal with repair of tci and proper parts to buy and replace all are available online www.digikey.com
    but I would only do this if I were sure the tci was dead its a big job
    TCI Repair

    Replacement TCI Transistors
     
  2. dowski68

    dowski68 Well-Known Member

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    As in if the plugs are connected to the plug wires and the plugs are grounded outside of the engine do you see spark across the electrode when the engine is turned over. This is a poor mans way of verifying that you have spark to the electrodes.
     
  3. hogfiddles

    hogfiddles XJ-Wizard, Host-Central NY Carb Clinic Moderator Premium Member

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    It doesn't verify that the spark plugs are any good though
     
  4. dowski68

    dowski68 Well-Known Member

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    true but it verifies that there is spark to the electrodes. How strong the spark is unknown-blue is better then orange.
     
  5. xjforlife145

    xjforlife145 New Member

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    I am getting no spark at all when I do that test. That is my main problem.
     
  6. dowski68

    dowski68 Well-Known Member

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    My bad didn't fully understand your problem.
     
  7. Thrasher

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    Was this issue resolved?
     
  8. Rooster53

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    Looking at the pics I would say yes that is correct. I don't have the 750x, but the labeling on those pins P1, P2 make sense for the pickups as with other Hitachi TCI's.

    It would be nice to see a picture of the wires connected to the TCI to see if we agree with the hook-up. I am not sure if you have moved wires around within the plugs, but I know the pictorial of the connectors can be a bit confusing.

    Should go something like this if it is similar to the older TCI's, but I would double / triple check the supply voltage before applying power:

    6 pin connector using CCA labeling:
    C1 orange wire to low side of coil 1
    C2 grey wire to low side of coil 2
    B red/white wire to kill switch +12V
    E black wire ground
    SW black/white wire do not connect (unless Yamaha changed this from the earlier versions a ground here will disable TCI)

    4 pin connector using CCA labeling
    P1 orange wire to pick-up coil
    P2 grey wire to pick-up coil
    P1e black wire to pick-up coil common return. Note on older versions P1e and P2e are electrically the same.

    It would really be nice if someone with an X would supply a photo of the TCI with the connectors installed to verify wire color location.

    Do you know how you had it wired? Swapping supply voltage would likely be the worst thing that could happen and would probably damage the internal components. It is hard to tell, but do those capacitors have holes as XJ550H suggested.
     
  9. xjforlife145

    xjforlife145 New Member

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    Hi all, sorry I haven't been on this thread in a while, I've been super busy with other projects. So I bought a new battery ( to spec of course) and I charged if fully, hooked it up to the engine... And only got 11.41 volts to the tci. So I'm beginning to think that my custom wiring is bad and has too much resistance. Please tell me your thoughts.
     
  10. Timbox

    Timbox Well-Known Member

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    Hate to ask this but did you ohm out each wire end to end? I mean did you make sure that none of the wires in the new harness were bad? A lot of work but if you are completely wiring a different bikes harness into a new frame and engine, you might want to check that. Chasing electronic gremlins is tricky sometime but can be rewarding in the end. Stick with it.
     
  11. xjforlife145

    xjforlife145 New Member

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    I ohmed out each wire end to end. It was painful but worth it.
     
  12. dowski68

    dowski68 Well-Known Member

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    And what did you get as a result? Happen to find any wires that were bad?
     
  13. Rooster53

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    That should be fine as there is some loss in the ignition switch, kill switch, fuse and wiring.

    Did you get a new TCI? You suggested earlier you may have blown it with a mis-wire. Are you certain of the wiring to the TCI? You posted this earlier, showing the pick-up coil going to the 6 pin connector. It looks like they should attach to the 4 pin connector per all the drawings I have reviewed.

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    Still hoping someone with an X ( @Timbox or @dowski68 ) would post a photo of the TCI connectors and wiring to ensure you have that right.
     
  14. Timbox

    Timbox Well-Known Member

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    Will do that later on today...been busy with other things.
     
  15. XJ550H

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    he could start a conversation with them just by clicking on their name to ask directly
     
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    Keep it open so others can use this as a trouble shooting tool.
     
  17. Timbox

    Timbox Well-Known Member

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    Okay, here we go.....
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    While you are there and anyone else that might have a X, the three wire connect on my bike was heat fried.
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    Got that all fixed up and hope it holds with solder and new connectors.

    Hope this helps.
     
  18. xjforlife145

    xjforlife145 New Member

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    Ok so after alot of trouble shooting I have determined the following things:

    - All the wires in the wiring are working
    - The battery I am using is working great
    - The wiring to the tci is correct

    After ruling out all these things, I am thinking that parts of the tci are broken, because of a wiring mishap that most likely broke the tci.
     
  19. Timbox

    Timbox Well-Known Member

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    I would guess there is a way to test the TCI or IC ignition, someone will be along shortly to help you with that. I would guess you can find a used one on line as well.

    You ARE making progress and I would guess leaning a lot along the way. Just stay with and it will pay off great dividends in the end.
     
  20. k-moe

    k-moe Pie, Bacon, Bourbon. Moderator Premium Member

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    The only way to test a TCI at home is to swap it into a running bike.
     

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