Interesting products

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There are similar products on the market that have been out there for some time now. I am not familiar with that one however, but I wouldn't spend that kind of money for anything in the brake system period, that doesn't belong there.
I suggest getting your brakes fixed (grind rotors, get new ones, new brake shoes and pads, etc) instead of paying for something like that. That's just me.

 

i couldnt help but feel like what they were saying is "if you dont know how to controll your bike this product is for you"

they must be banking on the inexperienced with the whole "this product could save your life"
just from the concept i find the product equally risky since it reduces the pressure on the pads.... this could affect your ability to stop on-time.... also i see this placing excess pressure on the remainder of the system... possible premature failure on other parts.

my money isnt going to buy it

 

It looks to be some form of expansion chamber to give some 'float' to the brake fluid. I agree with Painter that money is better spent getting the existing brake system perfect rather than ad ons.

I would tune up the brakes and add stainless steel lines.

 

We tore this BS up in a thread last fall. This is a dangerous, downright stupid idea. "You'll feel more lever travel." DUH. I'm constantly looking for LESS.

 

I remember what Bigfitz mentioned. We discussed one that actually trapped AIR in the brakeline to cushion the fluid when braking. Now that was downright unsafe at any speed!
That just has "lawsuit" written all over it. And I'm sure some will try it and find out the hard way.

 

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To which I say EQUESTRIAN PLUMAGE!

We don't need a "shock absorber" in our brake lines to prevent front wheel lockup. I've NEVER locked a front wheel without intending to; I REGULARLY stop hard enough to cause the front tire to howl and have never experienced a spurious lockup due to a "high spot."

Horse. Feathers. or snake oil.

 

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Yep. Put this on to give more sponginess to the brakes then add braided lines to firm them up.

 

Sorry, flash. But do you REALLY think these guys, whoever they are, can out-engineer Yamaha, Honda, Kawasaki, Harley Davidson, Brembo, EBC and all the other LEGIONS of top-notch talent that designs motorcycles and their brake systems?

NONE of the enterprises I just listed employs a device such as this. And you know what, I trust them WAY more than the fools that came up with this one.

My negative comments are due to the fact that this one could be DANGEROUS. This is no Q-ray bracelet here, this is potentially harmful.

 

This is a rip-off of the device that I brought to the Forum's attention:

http://www.xjbikes.com/Forums/viewtopic/t=9467.html

It would work if you let an inexperienced person drive your bike or 4wheeler and they didn't know how to modulate some great, but pulsing brakes. The devise traps a tiny pocket of air inside the banjo bolt. It gives you a pre-measured sponginess. Totally useless !!! :roll:

 

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Do what? with who's dog?

Look, the device works, and it doesn't work.
I wouldn't ride on the street with it. I hope you're not upset or anything.

 

Yes, but what if they threw in one of those magnets for the fuel line? You know, the ones that boost the mileage and performance that the oil companies are trying to keep secret?

 

flash1259 you should never be afraid to ask a question... i dont think anything here is directed at you.... unless you are positioning your self in defense of the product. if you wuould like i can send you several pages to read about braking system operation, forign contaminants causing fluid deterioration, trapped moisture in air bubbles causing rust, rust causing piston seal failure, and that causing a wreck etc ....

so i guess what i hear every body is saying here we arent trying to piss in anyones cheerio's .... just trying to give you as much information as possible to make an informed decision.

if you know somone who bought this tell them i sell Blinker fluid by the quart and that i am having a big muffler bearing blow out sale this weekend.

 

PS: for decades brake system engineers have been trying to increase the ammount of pressure they can place on the pads to shorten safe stopping distance. they have re-engineered fluid several times, invented single , dual, and quad piston calipers, invented cross drilled and slotted rotors to cool the calipers faster and get more pad grab, they have changed the metal processing type to get better resistance to the torture of braking. these are the folks that spent 4-8 yrs in school, 2 - 4 yrs interning, and have gotten the knowledge transfer from the prior engineers. not to mention they have their own lab. test room, machine shop & race track. and several cars trucks motorcycles to test with in controlled enviroments. when they release a final product it then goes out for DOT certification prior to sale.

 

seems to me if flash1259 is impressed with this product then just go ahead and give it a spin AND post your findings/observations so that others might get the information they need to decide if it is a good idea or not.
Personally i prefer to leave the break system as is.

 

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By the same reasoning, my opinion that jumping off a high cliff will result in a big splat is then null and void because I have never tried it :wink:

In all seriousness though, the described intent of the product is to reduce the responsiveness of the breaking system. I take them at their word that it does that.

Problem is the brakes on an XJ are already marginally responsive at best. If your XJ exhibits the problem of the brakes working too well you should share your secret. A lot of people have spent a lot of time and money trying to have that situation.

 

I can't give them a failing grade as I don't really know how they work (or care to find out by using them)
It's better left to someone else to try things out first. I like to learn from others mistake or experiments. It just seems like a poor mans anti-lock brake idea to me.

 

normal motorcycle braking is 800-1,000 psi factory OEM equiptment- hmmm
Steel braided lines rated at 5000psi - 24000 psi
Factory OEM Brake pads rated at 5500
SO if it fails my brake system goes back to normal, are you trying to say the air is normal my brake system at that point?
your telling me in the faq it doesnt work....

From Their FAQ:
What is the difference between ABS and Traction Control Brakes?

Anti Lock Brakes (ABS) are electronic systems that measures the wheels speed and registers when the wheel has stopped rotating. The computer then allows the brakes to lock and unlock numerous times per second to help prevent the wheels from locking up. Antilock brakes and Traction Control Brakes both rely on the coefficients of friction to allow the wheels to rotate for additional control. It needs to be emphasized that ABS still lets your wheels lock, ABS only works at particular speeds and after the wheels has experienced total lock up. Traction Control Brakes are an all mechanical system that works every time you brake by helping you modulate your brakes for optimum performance and a feel of total control in your braking.



What type of testing has been done?

TCB Units are repeatedly tested for durability during the manufacturing process. Because the weights of motor sport vehicles are different and because surface conditions are not the same, it would be nearly impossible to test every make and model of motor sports vehicles. Because the TCB unit is designed to withstand over 4500 psi before the internal diaphragm ruptures it is actually one of the strongest parts in your brake system. If for some reason the diaphragm did rupture there is a second seal so the TCB unit prevents any leaks or pressure loss even over 4500 psi.

Can the TCB Unit Fail?

The TCB Unit has only one moving part, the diaphragm inside the unit, which helps to modulate the brakes. The manufacturer of the Traction Control Brake Unit uses the best existing polymers to ensure resilience to the brake fluid and the heat that comes from the brakes. Although the manufacturing process ensures that the unit will not fail, if the diaphragm does fail, your brakes will still work the same way they did before the unit was installed. TCB units are designed to withstand more than 4500 psi before rupture which makes it one of the strongest parts in your braking system. If a rupture should occur the TCB has a secondary seal that prevents any leaks or total loss of brake pressure well beyond 4500 psi.

 

Ok, I just have one question...but first a preview of my muddy thinking.

If I remember, hydraulic systems work because they are enclosed and are usually filled with a non compressible (sp) medium. And combined with other hydraulic properties thats what allows the rider to apply enough force to retard the spinning of the front wheel. and the more force the rider applies the more that is applied to the wheel in a linear progression.... and through kinesethics an experienced rider learns the proper amount of pressure to apply to make the difference between doing a Yosemite Sam SPLATTT against the back of a truck or stopping just shy of that.

It sounds like this piece is engineered to induce, however limited, an element of compressiblity to the braking system, and because of the properties of rubber (being influenced by temperature and age) this influence would be an unknown variable.

My question...FINALLY

Wouldnt this tend to make the stopping properties of the braking system more unpredictable? Maybe only slightly, but slightly is a scary concept when it comes to braking?

Oh....and doesnt that mean you are adding a piece for $80 that works better WHEN it fails than when its working as designed???

 

Exactly!
The front brakes on mine are just good enough to stop now, so playing with their performance just isn't an option for mine. I may even go with steel brake lines to get a more positive feel with them if I do anything.

 

i don't think these things are aimed at 80's vintage single piston caliper bikes
some newish sport bikes have brakes that will lock the wheel with two fingers without hardly trying
put a newer rider or a experienced rider in the wrong situation (like not paying attention)and sooner or later their going to look up and think STOP
not "i've got touchy brakes" "where's my escape route" "use both brakes"
just GRAB
these might delay that lock up long enough to let his brain kick in
i know i've done it in cars, then you look like a fool 'cause there was no real need for it
on a crotch rocket with powerful brakes your sliding down the road

 

I think they're aimed at separating suckers from $80. You could get the same result from letting a bit of air into the brake line.

 

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Flash, if you read this Im going to ask you a question that is not meant as an affront to you. Just a point of clarification.

Whats a 'legitmate' opinion?

 

DONE , FINISHED! Find another punching bag .....

 

I hate to disagree with the gurus here but you are knocking a product without any real world results and for all any of us know this could work amazingly well. Not on our xjs with the already sub-par braking but on never bikes you never know. My advice to flash1259 would be to google the product and see if there are any reports from people that have used it. If I had a quad caliper braking system I would probably think about but I would not be the first to try it. If flash1259 does try it I would be truly interested in his findings. Keep being safe. In a sense anyone with braided brake lines has out smarted yamaha already. Things are constantly improving so this might be a good step forward in braking technology. I doubt it but I would not dismiss it so quickly without hearing real world results.