new ontario law to get passed

Helena Jaczek wants to make it a criminal offense, for riding with your child under the age of 14.


Her Majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the Legislative Assembly of the Province of Ontario, enacts as follows:
1. The Highway Traffic Act is amended by adding the following section:
Prohibition of passengers under 14 years old on motorcycles
38.1 No person shall drive or operate a motorcycle on a highway if another person under the age of 14 years is a passenger on the motorcycle.
Commencement
2. This Act comes into force on the day it receives Royal Assent.
Short title
3. The short title of this Act is the Highway Traffic Amendment Act (Child Passengers on Motorcycles), 2008.
EXPLANATORY NOTE
The Bill amends the Highway Traffic Act to prohibit driving or operating a motorcycle on a highway while a person under the age of 14 is a passenger on the motorcycle, with a view to promoting safety on Ontario's roads and protecting youth from preventable injuries.

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Interesting - governments continue to legislate "for our own good". Removing our free choice. Protecting children is noble but this seems to go too far.

 

Signed!

 

My 11 year old is my most frequent passenger! She loves riding and we take it to/from school when it's warm enough. I won't take her mornings right now because it's still in the 30's(about 0C). But I'll pick her up in the afternoons when it's currently in the 60's(about 15C)

mikeg

 

Ludicrous. My 9-year old is also a frequent passenger; he has his own leather jacket, and his own helmet and gloves. Not hand-me-down junk either, we just bought his new helmet at the end of last summer.

I guess we'll have to stay on this side of the river...

 

the laws not passed yet but we are fighting it

 

Dear "Her Majesty", and all her "Royal ASSenters", ummm, please kiss my tailpipe and then consider this:

Heh-heh-heh..............bet you the definition of a "highway" is not spelled out anywhere. In the US, "highway" is generally accepted to mean a "freeway, interestate, limited-access divided roadway" but that's the general meaning, it would have to be explored on a state-by-state basis or in the MUTCD to see if there is a LEGAL definition. AND IF THERE ISN'T, THEN IT'S AN UNDEFINED LAW AND THEREFORE MEANINGLESS.

In the USA, any state that accepts Federal Highway Funds (and that means ALL of them) are required, by law, to promogulate, express, and enforce all of their traffic laws in accordance with the requirements set forth in the MUTCD (Manual of Uniform Traffic Control Devices), AND IF NOT, then the state loses their Federal Funding.

Suffice it to say that probably 50% of all local traffic laws are NOT in compliance with the specifications in the MUTCD.........

 

F'ing Government.
Exactly Bill, just keep nibbling away at our freedom.
Must wear helmet, must wear seatbelt, must have kid in a car seat, must not let <14 year olds on a bike.
Must raise taxes to sell new worthless unenforceable laws.

It's against the law to text while driving in my county now. :roll:
How is the cop going to see you texting?
So if you carry anyone under 5 foot tall you should expect to get pulled over just to make sure you're not breaking any laws.
"Take off that full face helmet boy", "lets see some ID, you 12 year olds always carry ID in your lunch box"
"What no ID?" "we'll have to take you in until we can confirm that your not an under age bike riding terroist."
Sorry this crap just frys my short hairs.
:evil:

 

Here in my part of Oz[Qld] they have made it an offence to carry children 8yrs and under my youngest is 9 so wont affect me till I have grandkids,But what gets me is if I was such a lousy parent why would a traffic law improve my parenting.
My kids would get on my bike weekly to see if they were big enough to reach the passenger pegs yet because they knew they couldn't go for a ride with Dad until they sat safely.

 

They passed a seat belt law in Florida where all rear passengers under 18 must be buckled up. Most cars have tinted windows, so, this gives cops a reason to pull almost anyone over "just to check".

They made it illegal to ride in the bed of a pick-up years ago, yet you can go down the road swinging from the back of a garbage truck !

 

Signed and sent.

 

Seatbelt is now a primary offense in Florida. No longer need a reason to check. If the see it, you get a tickey...

I wear my seatbelt, I wear my helmet, etc. Even when I have the freedom not to. I can see legislating carseats for kids because there is plenty of evidence (scientific) that shows the value of them and people are stupid (a person is smart, but people are stupid... MIB). But whats with the arbitrary number (age) for a kid. My 6 year old rides with me all the time. He is taller than many 10 year olds and some 12 year olds. He can reach the pegs and knows how to ride safely. I can see a law that says they have to have a helmet (that fits them) and reach the pegs, but after that its just arbitrary.

Better of outlawing fast food, high fructose corn syrup, processed wheat, TV and video games, the internet, etc...These things kill and injur massive numbers of kids every minute of every day and yet, nothing is done about them....

 

I'm with you Fitz about decent gear for the kids. Last year I took my daughter to buy the helmet and she's got gloves and sunglasses she keeps in the helmet. She wears a jean jacket when she rides. Fortunately the helmet also fits my step daughter and my wife although my wife says that if she rides any distance with me she wants her own medium helmet. I'll probably need to buy a medium helmet by next year anyway since my daughter is growing so fast.

mikeg

 

Yeah, actually my 17-year old daughter has her own helmet (which also fits her BFF my 14-year old son has his own full face (minibiker) and my 9 year old has his as I mentioned. All new or recent HJC and/or GMax's.

My criteria exactly! No real road riding until safely and firmly planted. All 5 of my kids were subject to it.

 

Unfortunately it is defined.

“highway” includes a common and public highway, street, avenue, parkway, driveway, square, place, bridge, viaduct or trestle, any part of which is intended for or used by the general public for the passage of vehicles and includes the area between the lateral property lines thereof;


And on the matter of this bill, I'm surprised it has made it this far with the opposition that it has faced, but I suppose the non-riders out there are being pulled in with lemming mentality.

 

here in washington you cant talk on your cell phone while driving unless you have bluetooth, my four year old goes on rides around the naighborhood with me , he has a helmet, glasses ,jeans and coat, sits in front of me and i hold him in with my legs , mind you i dont take him on busy roads but here in the great us of a we are slowly turning socialist and loosing or freedom of choice at an alarming rate. LOVE THE COUNTRY FEAR THE GOVERNMENT!!!

 

Ahmen brother.

 

Now it says highway so does that mean we can still ride on roads not considered highways meaning 80kms and under or just under the 80k mark.

 

Like chacal (I think) said, in Canadian Law the term 'highway' covers basically all roads except private roads.

 

yes, and it completely blows how they word it too. if you run a business out of your home and customers come there, your driveway is now a public road. if it is just a residence, then it is private.

Parking lots at malls and such are a gray area as well. they are private enough that if an accident happens in a parking lot, the police don't really care. it also seems that they will give you tickets for speeding and stunting, which isn't technically possible on private property. yes most lots have a posted limit, but it is not really a legal posting. it is just put up for safety/liability.

there are many gray areas in Canada's highway traffic act and so much is left up to the discretion of the LEO on duty. if they are pissed off, they pull over for the slighted wander into a gray area of an obscure law. happy, they will let some blatant breaking of traffic laws go. if they are in an average ho-hum mood, they don't allow any blatant law breaking, but don't go stupid into the gray area either. most times LEO's in this mood will pull ya over to scare you, run your info ect. then tell ya to go on your way and slow down/be safe.

that is just in my experience though. YMMV.

 

welcome to Ontario capital O for what your ass looks like when the laws are through with you :lol: . the other law that pissed me off that got passed last year id the transports can only run 105k (65mph) any over and fines. your truck needs to be set by the computer and if it's not yep get the lube more fines. this prov. is really starting to get really shitty

 

here here ill second that motion

attention planets of the solar federation...we have assumed control...we have assumed control

 

Missouri just removed the helmet law, if you are over 21 helmets are optional unless on the interstate.

 

On the interstate? Place where a helmet is least likely to help...

 

This was smart!, HOPEFULLY it will bring down the speeders that plague our 400 series. If they can't get past trucks doin 100, then they can't go 160+ like one guy that got caught this long wekend.

A lot of ppl say you HAVE to drive fast to stay with the flow of traffic... that's just an insane way to think... two wrongs don't make a right. I wish normal automobiles had a limiting in them as well. It'd make for safer roads and highways.