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Battery charger - "tender" vs "trickle" vs "2-amp"

Discussion in 'XJ Technical Chat' started by prock, Mar 8, 2010.

  1. prock

    prock Member

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    I only could find a 2-amp charger at Crappy Tire in the fall. I figured this is what I needed so a couple times over the Winter I plugged my battery into this.

    Now I'm reading elsewhere that people leave their batteries plugged into "tenders" or "trickle chargers" all winter and in one post I read that someone who just plugged theirs into a 2-amp charger wasn't able to start their bike (same here).

    If I charge my battery on the 2-amp charger and try to start it turns over for about 30 seconds before running out of juice. Does this sound right? Is my battery not charging completely?
     
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    Trickle chargers only give a small charging current, whereas auto type chargers have higher outputs. I think the reccomended size for a battery is 10% of its rating, so a 12Ah battery should be charged at 1.2 amps.

    It sounds like your battery has had it?

    Top up the electrolyte with demineralised water and charge it on your 2 amp charger. If it has a meter, the charge should fall fairly quickly, probably below 1.2 amps.

    Charge for a couple of hours and see if the bike will start.
     
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    There's many threads and websites about proper charging.. basically small batteries need low current for a long time to charge fully and properly.

    Manual chargers - like the 1 or 2 amp versions - require you to frequently check the specific gravity of the electrolyte in order to plan how long they should be on the charger.

    Automatic chargers (aka float chargers/maintenance chargers/"tenders") charge differently in that they monitor the voltage and adjust the current (and sometimes the voltage) as needed to fully charge properly; then switch to a tiny trickle charge to keep the battery at full. Most that are marketed as "tenders" can be hooked up and forgotten about - left hooked up all winter even.

    I just picked up this one at Can Tire for my new AGM battery:
    Intelligent Battery Charger

    Oh - and if you're only getting about 30 seconds of power after charging I agree it sounds like your battery isn't charging fully, or is failing. Time to have it checked on a load tester, and/or replace with a new one.
     
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    Thanks. New battery is charging. I'll put the new plugs in and change the oil while I wait.
     
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    Woohoo! New battery and new plugs and she starts like never before! =)
     
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    Back to your original question: 2A will cook a motorcycle battery (at least ours) if you don't watch it carefully, time-wise.

    I use a .75A "battery tender" alternating between 3 batteries all winter and never have a problem. (Deltran "Battery Tender Jr.")

    Don't fry your new battery.
     
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    And by this I'm pretty sure he means that the battery will boil itself out in a few days so don't just set it and forget it. I left one on a week and came back to a half cooked battery. Newbie lesson and a cheap one thank heavens.
     
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    I've got a charger that only goes down to 2 amps. It sounds, though, like I could use this for now as long as I check the gravity every hour or so?
     
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    i'd buy a 1 amp charger. they are tough to find but nonetheless. batteries may be cheap but not as cheap as car batteries. $80 for my maxim out here.

    if there's a harbor frieght in your area they sell them. AND trickle chargers. i bought one of those maintaners for $6.99 for a ninja i had last year. parked in october. left it on all winter. in april i checked the voltage. 12.75volts and bike fired right up.

    as the above post stated. you want 10 percent of the amp hour rating of the battery. unless your driving a honda goldwing with all the bells and whisltes. and a bigger battery. most of the of the older bikes require a charger around .6 to .7 amps.

    don't know what the newer bikes are requiring.
     

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