Starter question, please help!

When I use my starter button nothing happens, my bike will turn over if I put a screwdriver across the solenoid. There were two wires soldered to the solenoid case itself that fell off from me moving them around, I assume they were like this because their mounting points broke off, I'm sure this is the problem but I don't know where those wires were going. Can somebody help please?

 

Maybe this pic will help



As you can see the top wire is red. The bottom is blue.
The wiring diagram shows both wires to have a white tracer stripe.

Ghost

 

Thanks for the picture, I see that they were soldered on originally, but these weren't factory unfortunately, and they weren't these^ colors, any idea what they go to from the solenoid? So I can redo it temporarily.

 

Hi Wally, I believe the wires that are soldered to the solenoid come from the starter button.

 

The red wire was routed to the starting curcuit cut off relay.
The blue wire was routed to the starter button on the handle bars.

What you are working with is a simple temporary contact switch curcuit. two wires tempoarilly connected through a switch.

Ghost

 

Awesome, thanks guys!

 

Exactly what help do you need? Can you re-solder the wires back onto the solenoid (relay)? Are you asking which wire goes to which terminal? The polarity of the relay coil isn't critical. The two small wires can be connected back onto the relay in either order.

edit to add: Original wiring on my bike is red/white to the upper terminal nearest the battery cable and blue/white to the lower terminal nearest the starter cable.

It's important to secure these wires so they can flex without breaking next to the solder joint.

 

Frankenseca- I was asking where the wires went after they left the solenoid because it's such a mess and I couldn't tell. If I'm reading everyone's reply's right they are just two wires that can be soldered to the pads on the solenoid, in any order, that both go to the starter button which is just a momentary switch, which makes sense. Am i right?

 

The Blue/white goes to the starter button.

The Red/white is the power, and is connected with a bunch of stuff that turns on with the ignition switch. The leads on the solenoid are only a few inches long. There is a connector nearby with matching color wires.

 

Good so far...

Not quite, Sky. The solenoid (relay) needs one hot wire and one ground wire to function. Originally the fused, supply, red/white wire went "hot" when the key switch was "on" and all the "saftey conditions" were satisfied. A blue/white wire on the other relay terminal went directly to the start button where it would only be grounded when the button was pushed.

So on the two small relay terminals you need (1) a fused hot wire fed by your main switch and (2) another wire going to your start button; the start button must have another wire connecting it to ground.

Make sense?

 

I can't at all go by how it "should" be, take my word for it it's a mess, but what 'seca said makes sense, nice breakdown, thank you. My starter button must have it's own ground because it did work before, but I haven't seen one. I'm going to clean off all of the old solder and hopefully I can save the solenoid