Gear speeds

What speeds are you guys in for gears? I'm in 5th by 35mph and it sounds like its topping out by ~50mph (my tach isn't working, working on that).

Where do I start on this?

As always, thanks!

 

If I understand what you're asking, 1st to start rolling, 2nd at 10 mph, 3rd at 45-50 mph, 4th - 60-65 mph, 5th - 75 mph+ cruising on level highway.

Sounds like you're lugging the engine to hell. You shouldn't be shifting so low, try to get to at least 6-7k or more before the next gear change (when it really starts screaming). Working tach would help.

 

Oh HELL NO! I'm in 2nd at 35 mph1

 

I'm talking normal riding in traffic lol When I'm feeling frisky I run the first 'til redline.

 

However, I should add, if I'm just highway cruising (like around 65ish), I'll kick it up to 5th to save on some gas. then if i need some boost, i drop it down + twist the wrist.

 

That's my problem, it's not lugging in 5th at 35 or 4th at 25 for that matter when it for sure should be. This is my first bike but have been driving stick forever with and without a tach so I can hear when I should be shifting. What should my plan be to get my engine running where it should be?

 

I came from manual transmission cars for my whole driving life. When I first got my bike I was shifting at a low rpm as well. When you think the engine needs to be shifted (car mentality) you're still probably a good 5000 RPM's from when you need to shift. Trust me I know! I was shifting the same way on the bike when I got it. By 40 I was in 5th gear. Now at 40 I'm just shifting to 3rd.

Let her scream. It will take some getting used to because you've been driving a 4 wheeler Even still I don't shift at 8k.. Usually I shift at 5500. Still can't break that mental barrier LOL but I'm working on it!

 

Thanks, good to hear. I'll get that tach working and see where I'm really shifting. It's also hard for me to get rid of the low rumble sound of H-Ds. Being from Milwaukee I'm surrounded by them, not to say there isn't a strong base for other bikes.

 

Really? That much?
I guess I'm driving my XJ like my (now deceased) 1975 Scout.
What is the science/ physics behind the higher RPM range and shifting on a bike that makes it different from a car/ truck?

 

The power band of the XJ I4 engine only starts waking up at 5,5-6k rpms or so. How is that for science?!

 

Sektor, you're gonna have me riding like a demon tomorrow on the way to work LOL. I just now started shifting at 5500 and it's been REALLY fun to ride since doing that. I always feel so sketched to take it past 6k, I feel like it's gonna blow up lol. Not really sure how I feel about pushing a 30 year old engine too far. I guess a couple times can't hurt, but then I'm gonna be addicted to the speed/sound/feeling, etc....

Whatya mean by powerband?

As far as science I have no idea, but my wrangler does not got past 3k RPM. If I take it any higher, I feel like it's gonna BLOW lol. A bike isnt even getting started at 3k RPM. You'd really be lagging the engine shifting that low (what I did when I first got the bike)

 

Below is a dyno sheet for a stock XJ750.

Notice that the HP line (top) only really starts climbing at 5,5k rpms. Top torque is roughly at 6k rpms so the engine powerband is from 6-9k rpms. XJ650 engine a slightly lower.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_band

 

Interesting man! In that graphic it looks like top torque is at 7500 RPM or am I reading that wrong?

So it really starts to get its HP past 5500 RPM? Man tomorrow's ride is gonna be fun! Ok now how bout cruising with traffic at say 45mph... do you keep the RPM's high or shift up to get to a nice quiet cruising speed around 3500RPM??

I always feel weird riding at 45 in third for miles at a time..

 

Yeah, top torque is at 7,5 rpms, but is fluctuating from 6-7,5k, so 5,5-6k is a good starting point to prepare to hang on the handlebars 8O

Cruising, you want to keep the engine near the power band range, in case you need to swerve and avoid a obstacle or accelerate out of a danger zone. 4-5k works for me in third, maybe 4th gear.

 

Awesome, that's good to know! I like the "hang onto the handlebars" feeling

 

That sounds FUN! I feel like the engine is gonna explode with that high an RPM lol. I'll have to get past that mentally and just peg it. I'll need to find a straightaway I can actually do that on though.

I tested 0-60 a few times at stoplights when I was in front. Seemed to take a while, but that's cuz I was shifting at 5500!!

 

Normal ride alone on road, 3-5, shift up, back to5/5.5 shift .....once I'm as fast as I want, 5th.
Why ride 45 in 2nd or 3rd gear ? Lately I've been taking it down to 1700 in 3rd in trafic, you can feel each cylinder fire
Got other bikes if I want to go fast

 

According to the Yamaha EGA manual, "cruise" is 5000 rpm for an XJ.

 

When you first joined and I saw that your location was Erie, I thought "Great! Someone to hang with." Then I realized it was Colorado and not Pennsylvania. That's a bit farther than 15 miles.

 

Marzka, that would be nice man! I have no one to ride with out here! It's just a tad further than 15 miles You have cigars international out by you too. You're a lucky man!

Wow 5k for cruising... man I have to change the way I ride yet again! The more I change the way I ride, the more fun I have on this machine.

 

It's all preference, I shift to 2nd right after finishing my turn, or getting going. then I shift at 4k through to 5th.

I do run it up to 10k every now and then, but it sucks the gas back doing that

Next bike will be a torquey v-twin. What can I say, I like low RPM and that pulling feeling. I4's have a nice smooth power delivery, but I don't need that much vibration on my... things... lol

 

You might be surprised that the vibration will get even higher if you step up to a harley. Might even shake up a few old fillings lol So I wouldn't use that as a reason to switch to a vtwin.

 

:lol:



OMG

Ain't nothing good gonna come from this

"But officer I was just keeping the RPM's in the correct power band range."

So I was going up to 6k before shifting and in a blink of an eye I'm doing 70. . .

This just became even more fun!

I need to find a track to really get my ya-ya's out on, flying up to a car that was three blocks ahead of me 5 seconds ago is NOT a good thing.

Must practice self-control!
Be the bunny!

 

Hoffer, its like kleraudio said. cage shifting is nothing like that Xj, even when you think your screaming - your not! You really gotta get that tach working to truly experience and appreciate what that bike has to offer. even then, until you become familiar with the high tach riding, you will feel apprehensive about it. You'll begin to realize the performance differences and quickly learn what the bike likes.

kleraudio, 5,500 is only where the fun begins... Twist that throttle at 7k in 3rd and hold on! These things are built to scream. Ha, wait till you realize what you've been sitting on! People might give you funny looks when they see you grinning ear to ear, in the wind Please, update us after you get the chance to open her up a bit.

 

I completely agree with holding throttle wide open until it screams like crazy, and then keep it coming. Oh the rush. The first time I did that, I had to stop because my grin was so big. I couldn't see anything past my cheeks. These bikes are so much fun.

 

Oh god, I'd NEVER buy a harley... But I could handle 3k vtwin over 10k "nutbuzz"

 

Dude. Wow. Yes!! Ok so I went for a 70 miler today. Took her up to 7 and 8k and holy crap this is a whole new bike!! I only went 'up to 7 or 8' still have yet to actually twist the throttle wide open when at 7k... I may have to try that next.

What a great thread!! And yea, the more and more I ride, the less and less I shift like I'm in my cage. This thing is FUNNNN!!

 

i'd like to see the look on your face after your first ride on a R1
someone on here, has a TL1000 suzuki, suzuki said that one was too much fun.

 

Ha, yea I'd love to ride an R1! I rode a Kawasaki Z1000 and HOLY CRAP. I'd love to have a street fighter bike like that when I have a garage.

You've taken an R1 for a spin I take it?

 

actually never rode a R1, R6 but not R1, this is a yamaha forum so i picked R1.
this sounds like it needs another thread

 

haha yea off topic, sorry OP!

 

This thread is a revelation for me. Like the original poster I am new to my bike (82 XJ750RJ, inherited from my father when he bought a newer Yamaha). I had been shifting up through the gears very quickly, because I was afraid to rev the engine too high. After reading through this thread last night I went to bed and dreamed about tearing up the roads. I got up this morning and made those dreams come true! Second gear is now my new best friend.

 

My 82 xj750j does 55mph at 4100 rpm, 65 at 4900 rpm and 75 at 5500 rpm. Living in the mountains, nothing more fun than running a curvy mtn road in 2nd gear at 7000 rpm The motor is the brake