Clutch Switch Q?

Question.... my bike will start in nuetral, but when I try to put it into gear (no warming lamps!) it dies..... is this the clutch lever switch that is giving me problems? If so, can it be bypassed by disconnecting or bypass jumper wiring?

 

Is the side stand up or down when you are putting it in gear?

 

UP & NO warning lamps present!

 

Your side stand switch or relay is faulty. Follow the wiring from the side stand to the connector and unplug it. Place a jumper wire across the wiring harness connector and try again.

Definitely sounds like side stand issue.

 

But wouldn't it only do that if it showed a "Stand warning" light?!

 

See what happens when you unplug the relay under the Black-Box.

 

What if the bulb is burnt? All your symptoms point to the side stand. Humour us.

 

The stand warning light works.....Cycle on center stand & side stand down, I start the cycle in neutral (I have not tried it with clutch pulled and in gear), with cycle running I & all warning system start up checks complete and okay other than side stand - I flip up the side stand.... warning light does out, I mount the cycle and take if off center stand, with clutch lever pulled I shift it into 1st gear and @ the same moment the cycle kills!

This is whey i was asking about the clutch switch.... can either the clutch & OR side stand switches be bypassed with jumper to eliminate them as the culprets?

EDIT: Relay under Black Box ???

 

The clutch switch (at least on my bike) only serves a purpose when starting the bike. If in gear and clutch not pulled in the you can't start the bike (in case it buggers off on you). After the bike is running, the clutch switch doesn't really serve a purpose - in fact I can switch gears without pulling the clutch in.

I think it is your side stand relay/connector/wiring because I had the exact same problem some time ago. If you want to prove the clutch switch, you can pull it out of the lever, and take the housing off. There are two copper prongs, a small round plastic pin and a spring underneath. The round plastic pin has a tiny metal collar on it. When you pull the clutch in the round plastic pin depresses along with the collar - the collar provides continuity between the 2 metal prongs. Connect the prongs and the circuit is bypassed. Be very careful not to lose any parts.

Now - going back to the side stand (yes- we are both stubborn), make sure the relay underneath your voltage rect/reg is working. You can check by having the bike running in neutral and raising/lowering the side stand. Put your hand on the relay and feel to check if it is moving. You should also hear a quiet "click" noise to tell you it's working. If the relay is working, disconnect the side stand connector and place a jumper wires across the connector terminals on the harness.

 

Ha Ha.... I'll believe you that it's the side stand....

And if it's the relay? Any bypass or easy fixes there?

Thanks for all the help by the way!! I just like to be sure befor e tearing into things!

 

I believe your sidestand relay works the same as on the Maxim. It works by shorting the TCI input to ground, killing the spark. Unplug the relay and the sidestand protection is eliminated.

I recently had a similar problem. I assumed it was the sidestand relay. Turned out it was a dirty connection on the safety relay. Might want to check that out too.

 

From the way its being explained ... it could be three (3) things.

1. Side stand switch is being prevented from CLOSING for some unknown fault.
Crap inside the switch housing? You can use an Electrical Contact Cleaner spray and douche-out the switch housing.
The Side Stand activating Rod is holding-up and sticking.
Loose or Dirty contacts at the QuikConnect Fitting.

2. Clutch Switch is stuck or a wire from the clutch switch is pinched ... shorting the connection to the safety circuit.

3. The Relay IS NOT a Safety Relay.

Testing the Relay ~~> WARNING <~~ Dangerous condition.
IF the IGNITION is ON and the bike is IN GEAR and the START BUTTON is pressed the STARTER will unexpectedly ENGAGE!
(Take FIRM Control of the bike and be prepared to hit the KILL Switch)

PRESS the START Button with the Clutch Lever PULLED ... and Release the CLUTCH LEVER ***

IF the SAFETY CIRCUIT RELAY ~~> is NOT a genuine SAFETY RELAY ...
as the Clutch Lever is RELEASED ~~> and the Clutch Safety Switch is CLOSED ... THE STARTER MOTOR SPINS -- ENGAGES -- WITH THE BIKE IN GEAR -- AND THE CLUTCH FULLY ENGAGED ... CAUSING THE BIKE TO LURCH FORWARD -- AND POSSIBLY START!

 

Stand switch..... sorry i second guessed the XJ Gods.....



Last night after work, I went home and was going to pin point problem..... Darn thing worked like new! So, this morning I go out and same story as yesterday..... banged the stand up and down a few times and presto!!

Question: Once it's working properly can I bypass the stand switch?

 

Hi guys, week-long reader, first time poster. I bought a 750 Maxim last weekend, and today it started in with the same symptoms..runs @ idle, put it in gear and Blecchhh...immediately dies. I had tried adjusting the clutch out and everything else...when I noticed this posted topic. My "stand" warning indicator is on, I'm assuming that's the trouble? Thanks for any and all help you offer...
Neko

 

The extension of the Side Stand operates the Side Stand Activating Rod which passes through a Nylon bushing.

The Rod can "Hang-Up" right there. Stick and not slide causing the switch to remain OPEN and activate the Safety Circuit ... Bike won't start.

The Rod is in sections. The sections can "Pull-apart" and get the whole geometry out-of whack and get stuck ... Switch stays OPEN.

Activating Rod is Not moving because Rubber Dust Boot at the Side Stand Switch is fouled with "Dried-out grease" ... No Switch Movement.

Switch -- itself ... is contaminated with foreign material and cannot operate and is stuck.
..............................
Remove screws. Unmount switch.
Disconnect activating rod.
Remove activating rod from drilled passage above side stand pivot.
Clean:
Guide hole above the pivot bolt. Lube with waterproof grease.
Clean activating rod.
Clean the Dust boot inside and out.
Treat with Armorol. Soak.
Throughly flush switch with Electric Contact Re-Nu.
Lube switch with WD-40.
Reassemble and Mount Switch.
Test.