1. Some members were not receiving emails sent from XJbikes.com. For example: "Forgot your password?" function to reset your password would not send email to some members. I believe this has been resolved now. Please use "Contact Us" form (see page footer link) if you still have email issues. SnoSheriff

    Hello Guest. You have limited privileges and you can't "SEARCH" the forums. Please "Log In" or "Sign Up" for additional functionality. Click HERE to proceed.

Motorcycle enthusiast/ currently working on a project!

Discussion in 'Hangout Lounge' started by Urra, Jan 26, 2015.

  1. Urra

    Urra Member

    Messages:
    46
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    8
    Location:
    Miami, FL
    Hey! Name's Michael from Miami, FL!

    Working on my 1982 XJ 550 Maxim I bought about 3 months back that doesn't run and finally got the chance to add some pics of the project. I'm going to start using this thread as a progress keeper from now on! Future plans: Cafe Racer.

    Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

    Upgraded some parts because they were out of shape.//considering creating a simple,custom wire harness

    Upgraded parts thus far:
    -K&N air filters
    -New spark plugs
    -Gravity fed modern petcock
    -Clubman Handle bars
    -New Starter Solenoid

    *stripped most of her down to better analyze everything on the bike; I like to know what I'm working on.*

    Known issues:
    -Starter button doesn't operate.~I've switched the controls, switched the solenoid, cleaned the connections, checked the wires closest to the plug, still no reaction. Thinking it's the relay.
    -can't figure out where to lead that air hose coming from the crankcase
    -need to rebuild master cylinder
     
    Last edited: Jan 27, 2015
  2. Urra

    Urra Member

    Messages:
    46
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    8
    Location:
    Miami, FL
    IMG_0717.JPG
     
  3. Urra

    Urra Member

    Messages:
    46
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    8
    Location:
    Miami, FL
    IMG_0718.JPG
     
  4. Urra

    Urra Member

    Messages:
    46
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    8
    Location:
    Miami, FL
    IMG_0721.JPG
     
  5. Urra

    Urra Member

    Messages:
    46
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    8
    Location:
    Miami, FL
    IMG_0727.JPG
     
  6. Urra

    Urra Member

    Messages:
    46
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    8
    Location:
    Miami, FL
    IMG_0731.JPG That clutch assembly has me iffy >.<
     
  7. Urra

    Urra Member

    Messages:
    46
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    8
    Location:
    Miami, FL
    IMG_0732.JPG Neeeeeed to clean out that crank case
     
  8. Urra

    Urra Member

    Messages:
    46
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    8
    Location:
    Miami, FL
    IMG_0724.JPG
     
  9. Urra

    Urra Member

    Messages:
    46
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    8
    Location:
    Miami, FL
    IMG_0729.JPG These carb boots have me worried
     
  10. Urra

    Urra Member

    Messages:
    46
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    8
    Location:
    Miami, FL
    Update *

    Ordered new starter brushes because the starter wouldn't turn over anymore.
     
  11. Urra

    Urra Member

    Messages:
    46
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    8
    Location:
    Miami, FL
    IMG_0722.JPG
    When I got it, this plug was never connected, though I have the correct solenoid connection.
     
  12. zombiehouse

    zombiehouse Member

    Messages:
    630
    Likes Received:
    8
    Trophy Points:
    18
    Location:
    Pomona, Ca
    The clutch arm return spring appears to be missing. Check the safety circuit. That could be why you are getting nothing from the start button if you have a fully charged battery. Before you do any more modifications, get her running. Those carb boots look bad. How do they look from the inside? If the inside is cracked too, replace them. You will probably need to replace them soon anyways. That plug in the last picture goes to the sidestand switch if one the wires is blue/yellow stripe and the other all black. This could also cause your starting problem.
     
  13. FtUp

    FtUp Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,309
    Likes Received:
    94
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Location:
    pacific northwest
    you also need a throttle shaft seal, plastic washer and an "e" clip. those air filters will cause you all kinds of jetting woes too. you really should verify that you have good compression on all 4 cylinders before you spend any more money on that bike.

    FU
     
    Last edited: Mar 1, 2015
  14. Urra

    Urra Member

    Messages:
    46
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    8
    Location:
    Miami, FL
    The previous owner decided to chop off the wire from the oil filter/ side stand safety so I figure this could've also contributed to my dilemma? And I'm going to try the compression test as soon as I have the rebuild kit for the starter because it started failing.
     
  15. Urra

    Urra Member

    Messages:
    46
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    8
    Location:
    Miami, FL
  16. Urra

    Urra Member

    Messages:
    46
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    8
    Location:
    Miami, FL
    Ahhh that makes sense I'll check it out as soon as I get home! Also, regarding the choke, where should I keep it set when attempting to start the bike after I rebuild the starter? And is it possible to show me exactly how the clutch return spring would look when added so I have a better idea as to how it goes?
     
    Last edited: Jan 27, 2015
  17. Bigshankhank

    Bigshankhank Active Member

    Messages:
    908
    Likes Received:
    125
    Trophy Points:
    43
    Location:
    Bastrop, TX
    When you say your starter " started failing" does that mean that it is trying to spin?
     
  18. Urra

    Urra Member

    Messages:
    46
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    8
    Location:
    Miami, FL
    Yes. I listened to the starter as much as I could and it mumbles but doesn't make a full rotation
     
    Last edited: Jan 27, 2015
  19. Urra

    Urra Member

    Messages:
    46
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    8
    Location:
    Miami, FL
    I could almost GUARANTEE that the starter has been bad from the beginning, never paid much attention to it and it almost bit my arm off.
    *facepalm* image.jpg
     
    Last edited: Jan 30, 2015
  20. Stumplifter

    Stumplifter Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    2,792
    Likes Received:
    1,051
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    near Irma, WI
    The more pictures you post, the more opportunities I can see for you to become the best XJ mechanic ever!

    Hope you didn't pay a lot for the bike; looks like the PO did quite a number on it.
    Don't loose your enthusiasm . . . .

    I recommend you start with pulling the carb rack and going to Church on it.
    http://xjbikes.com/forums/index.php?threads/in-the-church-of-clean.14692/

    Starter brush replacement (how did the o-ring seal in the picture above get so discombobulated?)
    http://www.xj4ever.com/starter brush replacement.pdf

    Brakes, brake lines, master cylinder, new tires, Petcock, control cables, fork seals, and rear shocks are probably all in your future. Plan on investing at least $800 in parts.


    Parts?
    Go to XJ4Ever (upper right hand corner of web page)
     
    Urra likes this.
  21. Urra

    Urra Member

    Messages:
    46
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    8
    Location:
    Miami, FL
    I didn't pay much! It looked like it was in good shape but hey I guess we learn out of mistakes huh. Seeing as this bike is pretty reliable and is loved pretty dearly by many people on this site I figure it should be a worthwhile fix. /
    The o ring... Ahh the o ring... I have absolutely no idea how an o ring could become that rattled up especially since it's in an enclosed area. I'll get started on the starter as soon as possible. Also, regarding the carbs. I have new pod(whatever you'd like to call them) installed but with the stock jets in the carbs. Any idea as to which size jets I need to purchase before cleaning out the carbs(waiting on my budget to be able to afford new boots)?
     
  22. Urra

    Urra Member

    Messages:
    46
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    8
    Location:
    Miami, FL
    image.jpg I found these gremlins (including two more under these three) soldered together(PO). Going to check out the wiring diagram as soon as I get home / unless someone knows by heart where these wires go. Looks like a mess
     
  23. chacal

    chacal Moderator Moderator Supporting Vendor Premium Member

    Messages:
    9,178
    Likes Received:
    1,978
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    The room where it happened
    Looks like what comes off the main key switch......Big Red comes from the fusebox MAIN fuse, brown goes back to the fusebox and then splits into three separate wires, each one powering the other circuits (Lights, Ignition, Signals) in the fusebox, and the blue powers the rear tail light/brake light circuit.

    This connector/wires should be somewhere up near the front of the bike, hard to tell the position from the angle of the picture.....


    P.S. the orange and red/white stripe wire is the power feed to the left side (plugs # 1 and #4) ignition coil.
     
    Last edited: Jan 29, 2015
    Urra likes this.
  24. Urra

    Urra Member

    Messages:
    46
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    8
    Location:
    Miami, FL
    Taping the wiring temporarily ASAP
     
    Last edited: Jan 30, 2015
  25. Urra

    Urra Member

    Messages:
    46
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    8
    Location:
    Miami, FL
    can you snap me a pic of what it looks like? I can't find it:(
     
  26. Jherbst

    Jherbst New Member

    Messages:
    10
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    3
    Location:
    Nj
    if I'm
    they look to be power from ignition switch aand the other 2 are two your coils
     
  27. Rooster53

    Rooster53 Well-Known Member Premium Member

    Messages:
    1,998
    Likes Received:
    803
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    North, FL
    Last edited: Jan 30, 2015
    Urra likes this.
  28. rocs82650

    rocs82650 Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    2,663
    Likes Received:
    356
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Location:
    Middle Tennessee
    Huh? This one suprise me. Now, now, Stump...we want to encourage our fellow members but you were on the old site. Just about anything within function that can be done to a xj has been done. From rear wheel to front, soft tail to hard, dual to mono shocked, complete front end swap, mill swap, frame refab, trikes, fuel injected; you name it and its probably been done. Not to mention all the meticulous stock xj's. He has a nice build going but the best ever is a stretch. I honestly don't think there is a best. There's too many that are just that good; both stock and moded. I miss the gallery.

    Gary H.
     
    Urra likes this.
  29. Urra

    Urra Member

    Messages:
    46
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    8
    Location:
    Miami, FL
    I have seen most of them and have gained inspiration to go harder on this project. I really appreciate the push rocs! Waiting on the starter motor rebuild kit to come in still :/
     
  30. Urra

    Urra Member

    Messages:
    46
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    8
    Location:
    Miami, FL
    Yeah I see the little impression it's supposed to go in. I'll look for the piece soon
     
  31. Urra

    Urra Member

    Messages:
    46
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    8
    Location:
    Miami, FL
    Do you think this could be the issue? Maybe splice a fresh piece in between?
     
  32. Urra

    Urra Member

    Messages:
    46
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    8
    Location:
    Miami, FL
    image.jpg WOOO it came in, I'll get it installed soon enough(studying for tests)
     
  33. Urra

    Urra Member

    Messages:
    46
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    8
    Location:
    Miami, FL
    image.jpg Crooked screw is harder than I though
     
  34. Urra

    Urra Member

    Messages:
    46
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    8
    Location:
    Miami, FL
    Wish me luck, brothers. image.jpg
     

    Attached Files:

  35. chacal

    chacal Moderator Moderator Supporting Vendor Premium Member

    Messages:
    9,178
    Likes Received:
    1,978
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    The room where it happened
    Yikes! That is the soft, dirty underbelly of a starter motor, no doubt..........
     
  36. FtUp

    FtUp Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,309
    Likes Received:
    94
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Location:
    pacific northwest
    Last edited: Mar 1, 2015
  37. Polock

    Polock Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    9,751
    Likes Received:
    2,097
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Beaver Falls, PA
    Oh my !
     
  38. Urra

    Urra Member

    Messages:
    46
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    8
    Location:
    Miami, FL
    Glad I'm not the only one surprised haha. Well, I'll post some pics of the progress right now. For some reason now it's really hard to spin after the rebuild, any ideas why?
     
  39. Urra

    Urra Member

    Messages:
    46
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    8
    Location:
    Miami, FL
    Close up of one of my little culprits >.> IMG_0904[1].JPG
     
  40. Urra

    Urra Member

    Messages:
    46
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    8
    Location:
    Miami, FL
    I believe the main problem is the rebuild kit's replacement baring... It didn't spin as smoothly as the original (Really hard to spin)
     
  41. Beekman

    Beekman XJ Grasshopper

    Messages:
    351
    Likes Received:
    49
    Trophy Points:
    28
    Location:
    Erin, Ontario
    I believe spinning the starter by hand at the shaft end should feel tough to turn. I remember reading it somewhere on here. I think its because the mechanical advantage is fighting against you in that case (don't quote me on it)
     
  42. Urra

    Urra Member

    Messages:
    46
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    8
    Location:
    Miami, FL
    It's barely even turning now though, I have to really force it. I did remove this rattled up tape from the inside of the starter where I THINK the actuator's arm was making contact with in order to stop it from touching the metal shell
     
  43. Beekman

    Beekman XJ Grasshopper

    Messages:
    351
    Likes Received:
    49
    Trophy Points:
    28
    Location:
    Erin, Ontario
    Have you tried hooking it up to power to see if it spins?
     
  44. Urra

    Urra Member

    Messages:
    46
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    8
    Location:
    Miami, FL
    Yeah. It just sparks as if there was a short but I made sure no metal pieces inside were touching the frame.
     
  45. Rooster53

    Rooster53 Well-Known Member Premium Member

    Messages:
    1,998
    Likes Received:
    803
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    North, FL
    From the starter How to Guide, this part is sometimes overlooked and is very important.

    ":::::::::::::::NOTE::::::::::
    When re-installing the battery cable to the starter, be absolutely sure that the "bolt holder" is not cracked, and be sure to use the o-ring and felt washers upon assembly. If this bolt is not well insulated it will cause a ground fault and the starter will not spin, nor will you be able to bump start the bike."

    This is referring to the stud that connects to one of the brushes and exits the starter. The large cable from the solenoid (POS) is eventually secured to the stud. The stud must have all the components installed correctly to insulate it from the starter chassis.
     
    Urra likes this.
  46. hogfiddles

    hogfiddles XJ-Wizard, Host-Central NY Carb Clinic Moderator Premium Member

    Messages:
    14,972
    Likes Received:
    5,246
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    near utica, new york
    Just wait til you get into the carbs!!! Take a look at my "before/after" thread to get a sneak-peak at what you might be in for...........

    There WILL be substantial drag when trying to turn the starter by hand. That's the way they are. But if all you're geting is sparks, then yeah--something's still not right.

    Where did you get your parts from?
    Len-I bet the problem isn't the replacement part
    Some other company - I bet the parts are wrong

    dave
     
  47. Beekman

    Beekman XJ Grasshopper

    Messages:
    351
    Likes Received:
    49
    Trophy Points:
    28
    Location:
    Erin, Ontario
    He could've done what rooster has said, and cracked the insulator boot for the terminal post. I know I did it my first time haha gotta be careful tightening it
     
  48. Urra

    Urra Member

    Messages:
    46
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    8
    Location:
    Miami, FL
  49. Urra

    Urra Member

    Messages:
    46
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    8
    Location:
    Miami, FL
    I don't seem to have any cracks, I do recall removing this worn out tape (Maybe insulator) From inside when I was cleaning it out
     
  50. hogfiddles

    hogfiddles XJ-Wizard, Host-Central NY Carb Clinic Moderator Premium Member

    Messages:
    14,972
    Likes Received:
    5,246
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    near utica, new york
    Then I will stand with what I said about the parts until proven otherwise.

    Dave
     
    Urra likes this.

Share This Page