Electical help with new switches

Hey folks,

I'm back, or rather still here. I'm not been very active lately due to a new job and family issues but things are better now and I decided to make some alterations/improvements to the bike for the new summer.



I found these new awesome switches but in the process of trying to wire them up I've run into two issues:

1) The bike will start when the start-button is pressed and the kill switch works fine but when I let go of the start button it dies.

2) With splitting the turn signals between left and right I'm aware I need to use the light-brown-white-stripe wire for both and probably use a diode here but just trying to get one side working at a time I've run into a snag.
The wiring diagram that came with the switches ( picture below ) appears to be wrong in some places -- I've corrected what I think is right -- what you'll see is that for the turn-signals there are actually 2xpurple(left) and 2xbrown(right) wires coming from the switches -- it's the same issue for both sides but using right as an example - connecting one of these purple wires to choc-brown and the other to light-brown-white-stripe makes the blinker flash - good news - but then pressing the turn button does nothing - it's doesn't turn off.

 

That switch is incompatable with the stock wiring. They have the kill switch internally tied to the starter circuit, which is why the bike dies when you let go of the start buton.

From a practical standpoint I question the wisdom of having the starter buton next (and so close) to the turn signal. The starter will spin with the engine running, and that's not a good thing for the starter clutch to deal with.

 

Hey K-moe - thanks for the reply... I'm sure there is a level of incompatibility but usually these things are fixable with some creativity. Perhaps I need to modify the internal wiring of the switch .. is there any other way to make this work? There is a separate ground here from that switch that isn't shown on the diagram.

Not sure what you mean about the turn switch being turn button - I'm not seeing any electrical bleed over between the two - I suspect it's shielded inside but as I'm probably going to need to open them up I'll check that.

 

...thinking about it... it should be fairly easy to rewire this either by just moving some of the existing new switch wires around or using the old stock cables... any thought on the turn signals?

 

Pressing the starter switch while eyou go to signal a turn will happen.

There is no way to make the starter and kill switches compatable with the stock wiring without opening (and likely destroying) the switch. You could work around it by altering the stock wiring, but I think you'll have to give up the entirety of the safety circuits.

 

Oh I see - actually the design is pretty smart as the start button is more raised up than the turn one. It possible it might happen but I suspect not that much and probably only during a learning curve until the muscle memory is set.
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I think I can rewire the inside pretty easily without doing any harm. These things are well made.

 

If you really want to use these then your best bet would be to rewire and buy the m-unit.

 

thanks but I'd rather spend $10 on wire and solder than $400 on that

Got everything working now - just moved starter onto it's own ground and figured out that the two cables for the turn signals that were the same color were meant for front and back signals. All good - now I just have to wire it up better and should be good to go.

 

Where'd you get those switches? What do the left side look like?

 

http://www.plotonline.com/motor/zero/lineup03.html

They don't sell them though from what I could gather..they use them just to build their bikes. It was a long process but I managed to get hold of a pair - don't ask me how....it was possibly illegal, unethical and unhealthy.

 

Seems you can buy em on the website as replacement parts but 38000jpn=460cdn, before shipping. *throws up in mouth a little*

Ah well.

 

Oh yeah I do remember seeing that - I think I blocked it out cos that was way outa my budget too but in the end I got a pretty sweet deal on them. I just got kinda lucky.