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TCI Causing my No Start?

Discussion in 'XJ Technical Chat' started by SLKid, Apr 17, 2010.

  1. SLKid

    SLKid Active Member

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    Would a faulty TCI cause my Maxims no start?
    I removed all the saftys and tried to start. Nothin. Wired in a new start switch assembly. Nothin. Took apart the headlight and cleaned all connections inside and under the fusebox. No missing pins, not too dirty in there.
    Still no go.. Very sad. It looks reeeal dumb when I jump my own bike. Kinda embarrassing when I'm ridin with a lady.
    And lastly,if I really cant figure it out. How to you wire the start differently? Ground the blue and black wire and place the other blue on the solenoid post?
    Chris
     
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    Polock Well-Known Member

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    if the bike runs the TCI is good
    you said jump the bike is that push start or jumper cables ?
    when you push the start button do the plugs spark ?
    some safetys need the wires connected some need to be apart, i don't have a diagram for a 700
    that lady needs to know that is her main function is to push :)
     
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    Lol Polock
    I'm sorry I meant jumping as in crossing the + to the solenoid. Brand new solenoid btw.
    And the Oil Light flicks on and the headlight dims when I hit the start
     
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    Polock Well-Known Member

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    not familiar with the 700 but the oil pressure should have been one of the things disconnected with the safety's, don't know if that would keep if from starting though
    i think the headlight should go OFF when you push start
    there's a 700 guy here somewhere
     
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    You'd better check your diode block, a bad diode would make the oil light come on when you hit the starter button.
     
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    And yes your headlight should turn off while pressing the start button.
     
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    One of the most common issues making a Bike not Start is the Starter's Electric End totally engulfed in Carbon Dust.

    The Starter won't budge sometimes.
    Dead.
    Other times it spins right away.

    If the Starter is being stubborn about cranking, ...
    Disconnect the Battery.
    Pull the Starter.
    Undo the two long bolts.
    DON'T LET IT FALL APART.
    Just pull the Case off the Motor a bit.
    Shoot-in Electrical Contact Cleaner ... -or- ...
    Isopropyl Alcohol until whats draining-out is as clean as what your squirting-in.
     
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    New diode block, and yes my headlight turns off when I hit the button.
    Rick I'll try what you suggest. Couldnt hurt huh? I did buy this starter off ebay and didnt clean the insides when I got it.
    Didnt even think of that..
     
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    Rick I think cleaning it like suggested just killed it.. Wont even crank now.. Button still no go and only a big spark is comin from the solenoid when I try to cross. No sound.. No crank.. Grrr this is frustrating.. Always somethin with my bike.
     
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    Not sure about the 700's, but on the 650 and 750 the oil light is supposed to come on when the starter button is pressed as an indicator lamp test.

    If you get/put a solid +12v at the starter, it should crank. If it doesn't, your starter is bad.
     
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    If it took awhile to get it cleaned-out; the Starter might need Brushes.
    If you have two Starters, now, you should be able to use all the Parts and come-away with one good, reliable, rebuilt Starter.
     
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    it worked before you took it apart and now it doesn't......hmmmm
    i'm thinking maybe, just maybe it's not together right, could that be possible ?
    did the shaft spin by hand and would it spin with a battery on the bench
    if the brushes are worn it should still try to run on the bench
    hold on to it tight on the bench :) been there done that
     
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    When completely togther no the shaft dod not spin. Maybe got it too tight?? Hmm. I took itn apart three times and put it back together with the same result. But I tightened the two Loooong bolts pretty damn tight. Guess somethin is binding. I'll give er a look tomorrow. Been buggin me all day at work :)
    Performing more tests for the sake of science,
    -Chris
     
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    Ok, so I guess I had it too tight or somethin. I put it back together carefully and away she cranks
    Cool.
    Now
    I really wanna know how to wire my start button directly. I cant figure out wtf the problem is.. No WAY i got two bunk start buttons.. The pnly two things I havent really really checked is the Large Safety relay under the gas tank (It clicks though when I turn on the bike) and the sidestand safety relay, (which also clicks)
    Maybe I can just remove the sidestand switch?? Eliminate one moe prob... I jsut hate having to jump her. Looks so stupid
    -Chris
     
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    How compatible are brushes (and starters) across models? I have an XJ650, but I used to have a Maxim X and I still have the starter for it. Can I combine these two to make one good one? It could be cool to have the black starter on the otherwise silver motor too...
     
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    Figured it out yesterday
    The ignition fuse holder in my dash was loose. Causing the relays to malfunction. Also I put the solenoid on backwards... So I fixed the fuse holder. And a week down the road tried another solenoid. Viola. Solved.
    Nearly had a heart attack cause I didnt expect her to start.
    I hate electrical.... -_-"
     
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    if your jump starting it. then the problem is not the starter. but rather the button itself probably not doing it's thing with the solenoid. you can take a screwdriver or something and jump the two big terminals on the solenoid. that completes a direct battery circuit to the starter to make it crank.

    course, if your jump starting it. then maybe the charging system isn't charging the battery completely.

    others might chime in on this one but i beleive you need AT LEAST 12 volts to make her crank AND spark.

    nevermind, just noticed the above post. LOL
     
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    You gots too many girlfriends Chris.........and that WILL give you a heart attack!
     
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    Been a single man since August :) And dont wish for a heart attack! You'd loose business Len. How have you been?
    -Chris
     
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    Which August?

    I'm well, and you? How was your road trip?
     

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