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Does a seca 8 inch bucket go onto a maxim bracket ok?

Discussion in 'XJ Modifications' started by Minimutly, Aug 15, 2018.

  1. Minimutly

    Minimutly Well-Known Member

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    it looks like this might work - with a little pulling out of the "ears"...
    Anyone know for sure?
     
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    k-moe Pie, Bacon, Bourbon. Moderator Premium Member

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    I don't know if anyone has ever done that swap without also using the bracket.
    1/2" on each side is a pretty big bend. I think you'd lose the clearance needed at the back of the bucket.
     
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    hogfiddles XJ-Wizard, Host-Central NY Carb Clinic Moderator Premium Member

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    I'll find 0ut:)
     
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    Ok, so the upshot is that basically it doesn't go on ok. Of course, money can make anything fit.
    As far as bolt-on and go, ain't gonna work too well. If you have something that you can bend the ears out enough, you may get the bucket to bolt thr0ugh, but the ears are going to be at a wide angle to the bucket. I could not find my extra bucket tonight, i'll look more tomorrow. BUT--I did get the trim ring which give the outside diameter of the bucket at the lip. I put it around the 650 bucket-and-mount so you can get a good idea of how far you're gonna have to try and bend things if you do it.

    Here's the pic:
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    If I can find my junk bucket, and a junk mount, I'll do whatever I can to get it to bolt up. I wouldn't hold my breath though
     
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    Toomanybikes Well-Known Member

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    Like @k-moe stated, by the time you get the ears out far enough you may find the bucket is crammed against the gauges.
    If I hauled on your ears like that there would be a bunch of kicking and screaming.
    Is this Just for the big headlight or can’t find the bracket you need or the bucket?
     
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    Minimutly Well-Known Member

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    I can't find a maxim headlight and rim, and I do like the big headlight, it will look good on the high fronted maxim.
    I have a bucket and lense from a seca, so...
    I think the ears will bend out ok without looking out of place, but there is the adjuster and gauges to think about.
     
  7. hogfiddles

    hogfiddles XJ-Wizard, Host-Central NY Carb Clinic Moderator Premium Member

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    The top where the gauges bolt on is the same, that's not an issue. For the vertical adjuster, be ready to to make an adapter/spacer/bushing if needed.

    It's a matter of how far out do you need to bend the ears---

    The outside of the bucket is only about half an inch or so, each side. BUT-- there are the guides ands stuf that the bolts go through that add more distance. You realistically need to bend the out about 3/4" each side. Then, realistically you should bend the ends back in so they don't stick out like little Dumbo ears. This would make the holes themselves bolt easy. Next issue is- how far in does that pull the bucket? Will the back of the bucket still have clearance---- that I don't know yet, as I have had the chance to try that yet.
     
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    I so have a complete headlight for a maxim if you want to save the grief.
     
  9. hogfiddles

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    It DOES work!! I'll explain why shortly. Stand by for pics---

    As it turns out... I found my dented, damaged, and rusted out 650rj bucket (and people wonder why I don't throw parts away....). Here's why it works----

    The 650rj headlight is much bigger around, as we know. The trim ring and mount is bigger, and the bucket lip is bigger around, too. BUT-- the landing where the mounting holes are, are RECESSED a little. The 650 maxim holes are on the same plane as the lip. So that bring the holes back in closer.

    But by how much closer? Hmmm--- THIS close!
    Left wing
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    Right wing
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    I stretched them wide enough BY hand to allow the wings to slide over the sides of the bucket AND the inserts for the mounts----AND installed the bolts. No visible bends or kinks to the wings. Some slight finessing at the top for the gauge mounting hole may be needed.... I don't know if that changed a bit when I expanded the wings. But a clamp strap or careful prying will line the holes right back up.

    The bucket appears to be a little shallower, too, so there is NO Clearance issue. (I did not put this on a 650 maxim but my expectation is that the top of the bucket WILL interfere with the gauges. HOWEVER--(seems every time I try some thing that shouldn't fit, I get to say that because something else can be adjusted to make it work!!...,lol), from past experience, the gauge cluster mounts can be moved to on TOP of the Crown rather than stay underneath, and the ONLY thing that won't look quite right will now be the gap between the cluster and the ignition key switch.

    The ONLY fabricating will be to make a spacer/bushing for the vertical adjusting mount. They are nowhere close, as seen. But, a pair of pliers to twist the welded nut part of the bottom of the mount-- a bushing, and maybe a rubber grommet or two, a longer bolt with a flat washer and split washer will do the trick.

    Here are the pics all the way around.
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    So, there you have it. Thanks to minimutly for the idea.

    Dave Fox
     
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    To be clear, this is to fit a 650 Seca lamp on to a 650 Max?
     
  11. hogfiddles

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    Exactly. You are looking at a headlight assembly from an '82 xj650rj mounted in the headlight mounting bracket from an '83 xj650 maxim.

    Dave
     
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    Since you have everything out, how about trying that RJ bucket onto a 750 Seca......and maybe a 550 Seca, too? That big headlight really adds to the style of these bikes IMO.
     
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    I'll see what I can do
     
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    Wow, impressed. Thanks for taking the time to look. Now here's a spanner in the works, my maxim is a midnight - black lamp bracket. Are they otherwise the same?
    Hopefully the answer is yes, and that's the next job. I think the seca lamp and bars on the maxim will look spot on, allong with a short, single seat. (The po had cut the frame, don't blame me).
     
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    That will look good. Can't wait to see.
     
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    Yes, they are.
     
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    I believe they are, just that the midnight ones are black, and the midnight headlight would have had a gold trim ring rather than chrome.

    THAT said.......I have to go look at something--I think the xs1100 midnight DID have the same 8" headlight. Don't quote me, but I'll go check!
     
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    I sold a few new xs1100 midnights and don’t recall 8” headlight
     
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    No. No XS1100 has the big headlight. I'm pretty sure the XV920R shares the big headlight with the '82 Seca. (That is the chain drive Virago engine standard)
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