Part number confusion

Last year, I bought an oil filter for my '83 Maxim 750. I was so confident that the guy at the Yamaha dealer would give me the right filter that I didn't bother to check the part number on the box. The parts diagram says the 750 needs a 1L9-13440-91 but the guy sold me a 1L9-13441-11.

My plan was to have the 750 run decently then change oil and filter, but I haven't had any success with the engine yet, so I still have the filter in the box.

I checked in the cross-reference and it seems that this filter would fit lots of models and years, including my XJ900RK, that needs an oil change. Fine!

What puzzles me is this inscription on the box:

"Applicable model series: XJ600 '89"

This is funny, because this combo of model and year doesn't exist in my cross-ref. Can anybody solve this little mystery?

 

Seriously? Are there no Canadian Tire stores in Quebec?

All of the '81 ~ '83 aircooled XJ bikes take the same oil filter, screw the Yamaha part number.

Here in the States (and I'm sure there as well) there are a wide variety of aftermarket filters that work just fine.

I've used the FRAM CH6003 for the last few years until my local AutoZone quit stocking it. Then I discovered that NAPA has the Wix filter, rebranded. It also comes with both o-rings.

The oil filter our bikes use was very widely used across a wide range of models, not just the XJs. The aftermarket's "got this one" believe me.

I just re-read your posting carefully. You haven't changed the oil yet?

HOW OLD IS THE OIL THAT'S IN IT???

If the answer is "I don't know" then go put a pan under it and pop the drain plug RIGHT NOW.

If you want a pic to compare the filter you bought, say so, we'll hook you up.

 

Fitz

I want you to understand that I haven't ridden nor the Maxim 750 neither the Seca 900 yet.

The Maxim has had major issues that I haven't sorted out since I bought it, I can barely have it to idle with throttle, and it runs pretty rough.

I bought the Seca this February and have been waiting for spring to come before I change the oil because I can't do any wrenching where it is stored.

So I plan to do oil change as soon as it will be physically possible. Of course, the answer to your question about the age of the oil is "I don't know".

I would appreciate a picture of the filter you use, please post one.

And if you have an answer to the question as if an XJ600 '89 exists or not, I'm curious.

 

We obviously have CT here in Quebec too, but I was already at the Yamaha dealer for something else and decided to buy the oil filter while I was there.

I also have to say that I have had mostly good experiences with my Yamaha dealer through the years, talking about prices and service, so I'm not reluctant to buy from them, unlike most of members here apparently.

 

Meh, nothing wrong with buying your parts at the dealer as long as you can afford it and you dont mind paying dealer prices for oem stuff. Sure i would never do it personally, and sure i think even if you had all the money in the world that it would be silly, but its not like im bothered by how another person spends their money.

I am curious though, how much was it, and did it include the two o-rings?

I use the fram filters - part number CH6003 -

Here's a pic i just took as i had them sitting less than 8 feet away from me when i read your post, haha





Also, don't loose this little guy when you're in there:


Its not imperative and most times someone will already have lost it for you, and its not a big deal if you're missing it, but if you do have it, you may as well keep track of it Reason why mine is out when i changed the oil a bit ago i found it laying in the bottom of my drain oil pan and i havent remembered to bring it along when i changed the oil before putting it away for the winter. Oh well though, like i said - its totally okay without it in there, its just that the longer i have it out, the greater my chances of losing it are, haha

It goes between the spring and the filter - #7 in the following picture:


As for oil, i have always used and been happily satisfied with Castrol 4T 20w-50:


The first few oil/filter changes on my maxim i have done at 1500 mile intervals to make up for assumed previous maintenance negligence, but plan to extend that to 3000 mile intervals this season. The 550 will get the short intervals once she's up and running though.

I know you already said you like buying your parts from the dealer, butttttt, i do encourage you to keep your eyes out for deals - Advance Auto had castrol 4t on sale for 2.99 a qt. last year so i stocked up. It makes changing your oil more frequently a lot easier on the pocket book. Im sure when you drain the oil for the first time it will drain out like water - mine did.

I can still buy the fram filter at fleet farm for 4$ - which i imagine is less than what yamaha wants for it, PLUS, the fram filter comes with two new o-rings. (I get my plugs there for a reasonable price as well)



Heres some more stock pics of the fram filter i nabbed off the net just in case the o-rings were hard to see in my pics:





Get those bikes running, if you think you love them now, you'll LOVE them MORE when you can ride them!!

 

[quote="mtnbikecrazy55.......... Oh well though, like i said - its totally okay without it in there, its just that the longer i have it out, the greater my chances of losing it are, haha..........[/quote]

Just a thought on this washer, if it's not present I think it might lower the bypass pressure (the differential pressure between the in & out of the filter that prevents loss of oil pressure if the filter blocks) meaning you may get unfiltered oil circulating. Don't know how much difference the washer would make as it's only thin, but just a thought.

Those CH6003 filters are used on so many different bikes you wouldn't believe, it's almost like an industry "standard" fitment...
I'm also interested how much the Yamaha dealer charges for the filter & if it comes with O-rings.

 

Just a thought on this washer, if it's not present I think it might lower the bypass pressure (the differential pressure between the in & out of the filter that prevents loss of oil pressure if the filter blocks) meaning you may get unfiltered oil circulating. Don't know how much difference the washer would make as it's only thin, but just a thought.

Those CH6003 filters are used on so many different bikes you wouldn't believe, it's almost like an industry "standard" fitment...
I'm also interested how much the Yamaha dealer charges for the filter & if it comes with O-rings.[/quote]

Whoopsies, meant #7 - wrote that late last night, lol

Fixed now

 

Here's a nifty how to that Fitz wrote some time ago; which emphasizes the need to use a torque wrench on the filter housing bolt and to not over tighten it. Which is EASY to do.

 

Thank you mtnbikecrazy55 for this very detailed answer.

I just found the bill for my oil filter, and I'm ashamed to say that I paid 9.32$ for the filter itself, without any f***ing o-ring!!!

Dam* they really got me that time!

 

xj600 is a European model


stu

 

Thank you bensalf!

I really don't know why I didn't check on Google by myself, deh!

 

The washer only keeps the spring from digging into the rubber and it will NOT cause any issues running without it for an oil change cycle. Most owners taking over a poorly maintained XJ will find it missing, it commonly sticks to the filter and many POs pitched theirs. NONE of my XJs had one when I got it.

The Yammery near me wanted $18 USD for a filter, and it's a K&N with a Yamaha parts sticker on it and no o-rings. I set it back down on the counter and walked out; it was the last time I ever went there.

The FRAM or Wix/NAPA is usually around $4 ~ $5 USD. With o-rings.

 

Sure. bensalf is correct in that the XJ600 was a Euro/world bike; however it was sold in North America as the FJ600 thru the '85 (86?) model year before it started to morph toward the R6 of today.

So 1989 XJ? Maybe in Europe. North America? FJ. They sure look the same. (And take the same oil filter as all of our bikes.)

 

I stop at that Fleet Farm on highway 10 every year on my way up to the Chequamagon Forest west of Minocqua.

 

Thanks Fitz,

These are very similar bikes, indeed!

 

only difference I can see is the reflectors on the front forks, and the polished engine cover on the us version
stu

 

Cool, good to know. Was just a thought I had.

Another thought I had is "is the bolt used to hold the filter housing the same as the one Honda use on bikes that use the same filter, like the CX500?"

I wondered this because there exists an aftermarket bolt with a 17mm head to resist rounding for those bikes, maybe Len already has something I don't know, but if not perhaps those could be an option?

 

I don't think there is any AdvanceAuto parts around here, but there is a Carquest not too far from my place, I suppose they could order this filter for me (with the o-rings) for a reasonable price.

 

BTW I changed oil and filter on my Magna today: stock spin-on filter, very easy job, no separate o-rings.

 

Checked price and avaibility at Canadian Tire this morning: 9.99$ with the o-rings, but none in stock.

Checked at Carquest: they don't sell any FRAM, they have a Wix 89934 at 8.29$ but it is impossible to know if the o-rings would come with the filter (none in stock for the moment).

 

Checked price and avaibility at Canadian Tire this morning: 9.99$ with the o-rings, but none in stock.

Checked at Carquest: they don't sell any FRAM, they have a Wix 89934 at 8.29$ but it is impossible to know if the o-rings would come with the filter (none in stock for the moment).

 

Aren't spin-on filters like that just so much more pleasant to change than paper ones... can almost do an oil change & not get dirty!

 

Finally bought a WIX #24934 at my local auto-parts store for 8.29$ plus taxes for filter and o-rings.

The large o-ring is roughly 3.5 inches in diameter, the small one 3/4 inch. Large one is also thicker than the smaller one. Is that correct?

Back side of the filter is completely flat and not totally similar to the FRAM shown on previous posts, but I don't think it matters at all.

 

One side is flat one side is indented.

The flat side goes toward the motor; the "indent" faces forward, and allows clearance for the spring.

The large o-ring is a bit "thicker" in cross section than the small one, yes.

 

Thanks for the input!

 

Finally bought a WIX #24934 at my local auto-parts store for 8.29$ plus taxes for filter and o-rings. Dang thats expensive!! if you want i'd buy you 10 and ship them to you at just 4$ a pop plus shipping!

The large o-ring is roughly 3.5 inches in diameter, the small one 3/4 inch. Large one is also thicker than the smaller one. Is that correct? Yes

Back side of the filter is completely flat and not totally similar to the FRAM shown on previous posts, but I don't think it matters at all. Flat side towards the engine

 

NIce offer! If I like riding the Seca900 as much as I think, I would be glad to get that many filters!